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		<title>By: B-links, June 15  ¶  Personal Weblog of Joe Clark, Toronto</title>
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		<dc:creator>B-links, June 15  ¶  Personal Weblog of Joe Clark, Toronto</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Information Wants To Be Free &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My year in blog</title>
		<link>http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/2005/05/25/job-search-hoops/comment-page-1/#comment-31308</link>
		<dc:creator>Information Wants To Be Free &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My year in blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] May 2005 Number of Posts: 19 Words written: 10,037 Favorite Posts: Job search hoops and Library services to distance learners Important Events: Suffered through the worst interview I ever had. Starting to feel really hopeless. Had phone interview for my current job. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] May 2005 Number of Posts: 19 Words written: 10,037 Favorite Posts: Job search hoops and Library services to distance learners Important Events: Suffered through the worst interview I ever had. Starting to feel really hopeless. Had phone interview for my current job. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Hillmann</title>
		<link>http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/2005/05/25/job-search-hoops/comment-page-1/#comment-6512</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane Hillmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2005 15:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Almost 30 years ago, when I was looking for my first professional job, I encountered the same kind of exploitation.  But I was too clueless and desperate to decline, and travelled 8 hours in the rain in a leaky old VW Bug for a 45 minute interview and 20 minute tour. Needless to say, I drove back in a fury. However, after I got a job (a much better one than I&#039;d been &quot;interviewing&quot; for at the aforesaid library), I told that story to many people, not withholding the name of the offending librarian. I daresay she paid heavily in the respect she lost from important colleagues, who were appalled at her lack of respect for me.

I agree wholeheartedly with the notion that interviews work both ways, and that listening to one&#039;s gut is critical. I&#039;d also urge applicants to include in their resume information that might help that two-way &quot;screening&quot; that is always part of the process. In my pre-professional days, I&#039;d been an elected shop steward in a support staff union in a library I worked for while going to school. Including that fact on my resume clearly cost me some interviews, but I figured that a library that couldn&#039;t interpret that information as &quot;leadership potential&quot; rather than &quot;scary troublemaker&quot; wasn&#039;t somewhere I wanted to work anyway. 

It took me almost a year to find the job I ultimately took, and I interviewed for 7-8 others (I don&#039;t remember the number now). I still work for the same institution, and am very happy I didn&#039;t get any of those other jobs. 

Don&#039;t despair, and for goodness sake--don&#039;t settle! One&#039;s first professional job is critically important.  I, too, got out of school at a time of too many applicants for too few jobs, and despite that, found a great job that lead to other great jobs in a fabulous profession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost 30 years ago, when I was looking for my first professional job, I encountered the same kind of exploitation.  But I was too clueless and desperate to decline, and travelled 8 hours in the rain in a leaky old VW Bug for a 45 minute interview and 20 minute tour. Needless to say, I drove back in a fury. However, after I got a job (a much better one than I&#8217;d been &#8220;interviewing&#8221; for at the aforesaid library), I told that story to many people, not withholding the name of the offending librarian. I daresay she paid heavily in the respect she lost from important colleagues, who were appalled at her lack of respect for me.</p>
<p>I agree wholeheartedly with the notion that interviews work both ways, and that listening to one&#8217;s gut is critical. I&#8217;d also urge applicants to include in their resume information that might help that two-way &#8220;screening&#8221; that is always part of the process. In my pre-professional days, I&#8217;d been an elected shop steward in a support staff union in a library I worked for while going to school. Including that fact on my resume clearly cost me some interviews, but I figured that a library that couldn&#8217;t interpret that information as &#8220;leadership potential&#8221; rather than &#8220;scary troublemaker&#8221; wasn&#8217;t somewhere I wanted to work anyway. </p>
<p>It took me almost a year to find the job I ultimately took, and I interviewed for 7-8 others (I don&#8217;t remember the number now). I still work for the same institution, and am very happy I didn&#8217;t get any of those other jobs. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t despair, and for goodness sake&#8211;don&#8217;t settle! One&#8217;s first professional job is critically important.  I, too, got out of school at a time of too many applicants for too few jobs, and despite that, found a great job that lead to other great jobs in a fabulous profession.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisle McKenty</title>
		<link>http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/2005/05/25/job-search-hoops/comment-page-1/#comment-6509</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisle McKenty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2005 13:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations (on turning down the interview). Keep sticking to your guns! I&#039;m planning to offer you other congratulations soon. No, I have no inside info. But cream rises to the top, even if slowly. The whole job hunt process, not just for librarians, is soooo dependent on serendipity, it is incredible. I spent two miserable years managing a library job and career center. Miserable because of how poorly applicants are treated routinely. No one returning calls. Never getting turned down, just never hearing. Bizarre labyrinths and hurdle courses. Interviewers who are just plain rude. The fact that the job search requires that you put your ego on the line over and over. The best analogy I know is blind dates, but if the date doesn&#039;t like you, it doesn&#039;t affect your ability to pay the rent (I hope!). I used to say I wanted to offer aroma therapy and massage instead of cover letter books. At least as we have learned these lessons, we will be able in time to change the process. I do counsel that everyone listen to their gut in the job search. If something strikes you as out-of-whack, it probably is. If you take that job, you will probably discover more and bigger out-of-whackness. The employers who do not change will suffer, thank goodness. I&#039;m waiting to hear about an IM interview!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations (on turning down the interview). Keep sticking to your guns! I&#8217;m planning to offer you other congratulations soon. No, I have no inside info. But cream rises to the top, even if slowly. The whole job hunt process, not just for librarians, is soooo dependent on serendipity, it is incredible. I spent two miserable years managing a library job and career center. Miserable because of how poorly applicants are treated routinely. No one returning calls. Never getting turned down, just never hearing. Bizarre labyrinths and hurdle courses. Interviewers who are just plain rude. The fact that the job search requires that you put your ego on the line over and over. The best analogy I know is blind dates, but if the date doesn&#8217;t like you, it doesn&#8217;t affect your ability to pay the rent (I hope!). I used to say I wanted to offer aroma therapy and massage instead of cover letter books. At least as we have learned these lessons, we will be able in time to change the process. I do counsel that everyone listen to their gut in the job search. If something strikes you as out-of-whack, it probably is. If you take that job, you will probably discover more and bigger out-of-whackness. The employers who do not change will suffer, thank goodness. I&#8217;m waiting to hear about an IM interview!</p>
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		<title>By: Rochelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rochelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2005 00:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is appalling. I hope you don&#039;t ever agree to interview anywhere that doesn&#039;t cover your costs. Particularly at a university, they have funding for that kind of thing. And who would want to interview 20 people? That&#039;s ridicuous! They should narrow it down to three and fly those people out. Craziness. Inefficent craziness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is appalling. I hope you don&#8217;t ever agree to interview anywhere that doesn&#8217;t cover your costs. Particularly at a university, they have funding for that kind of thing. And who would want to interview 20 people? That&#8217;s ridicuous! They should narrow it down to three and fly those people out. Craziness. Inefficent craziness.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/2005/05/25/job-search-hoops/comment-page-1/#comment-6505</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2005 23:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some schools seem to be the same the world over, I must say.  Things like hiring a person under the title of &#039;Audio Visual Librarian/Technician&#039; who has had absolutely no formal training in any aspects of librarianship, and then expecting this person to assist in the smooth running of the school&#039;s library.  I mean, come on.  A little consideration for thelack of training that you were aware of right from the start.  I know for a fact that this person put in numerous requests in his time at the school for professional development in some of his job areas, every one of them turned down in no uncertain terms; only to be fired at the end of his first year there in favour of a &#039;more qualified candidate&#039; (a person who lacked any knowledge whatsoever of Audio/Visual equipment, it&#039;s running practices or maintenance).  And what is this person doing today, you may ask?  Well, he&#039;s commenting on your blog, that&#039;s what. :)

To be slightly more serious though: never expect that hiring policies of any educational institution will be sane or reasonable.  Always expect to be led through the woods chasing after numerous wild geese.  It never sounds good, and it never sounds optimistic, but when it comes to hiring policies and interview policies, expect the worst, but hope for the best.  That way you can be pleasantly surprised.  I am glad to read you did finally manage to get a sane interview, and I do agree that the first college&#039;s policy is a little loopy, but it&#039;s nothing unexpected.  But the best of luck for getting the job you truly want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some schools seem to be the same the world over, I must say.  Things like hiring a person under the title of &#8216;Audio Visual Librarian/Technician&#8217; who has had absolutely no formal training in any aspects of librarianship, and then expecting this person to assist in the smooth running of the school&#8217;s library.  I mean, come on.  A little consideration for thelack of training that you were aware of right from the start.  I know for a fact that this person put in numerous requests in his time at the school for professional development in some of his job areas, every one of them turned down in no uncertain terms; only to be fired at the end of his first year there in favour of a &#8216;more qualified candidate&#8217; (a person who lacked any knowledge whatsoever of Audio/Visual equipment, it&#8217;s running practices or maintenance).  And what is this person doing today, you may ask?  Well, he&#8217;s commenting on your blog, that&#8217;s what. <img src='http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>To be slightly more serious though: never expect that hiring policies of any educational institution will be sane or reasonable.  Always expect to be led through the woods chasing after numerous wild geese.  It never sounds good, and it never sounds optimistic, but when it comes to hiring policies and interview policies, expect the worst, but hope for the best.  That way you can be pleasantly surprised.  I am glad to read you did finally manage to get a sane interview, and I do agree that the first college&#8217;s policy is a little loopy, but it&#8217;s nothing unexpected.  But the best of luck for getting the job you truly want.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Clark</title>
		<link>http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/2005/05/25/job-search-hoops/comment-page-1/#comment-6504</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2005 23:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You need to send this URL to the librarian who had the gall to propose all this to you. These people need to be corrected.</description>
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		<title>By: Angel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2005 22:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw your update. There are one or two rare places that actually treat their candidates with some decency and consideration. The problem seems to be these are more the exception than the rule. Best of luck on your upcoming interview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw your update. There are one or two rare places that actually treat their candidates with some decency and consideration. The problem seems to be these are more the exception than the rule. Best of luck on your upcoming interview.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2005 14:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang! I have heard horror tales of interviewing, and I had quite a few experiences myself when I was interviewing, but I think this one you relate has to be among the all time top five. You definitely did the right thing to decline. I cannot help but wonder what kind of candidate such a library is expecting to find with so many obstacles and such a poor preparation to even interview someone. How can they not know how to use a phone for an interview? I also have to agree: there is a serious and significant lack of courtesy and common decency on the part of libraries interviewing. I am still getting rejection letters from places I applied at last summer, and some of them were places I actually interviewed with. And as Jill points out, well, don&#039;t even get me started on how untimely some places handle reimbursing travel. Just because the job search is hard, it does not mean that those interviewing have to treat candidates pretty much like meat in a market. The sad thing indeed, besides making it hard for candidates, is that some of these places won&#039;t be getting the best candidates. After all, you can only take so much before you decide to move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang! I have heard horror tales of interviewing, and I had quite a few experiences myself when I was interviewing, but I think this one you relate has to be among the all time top five. You definitely did the right thing to decline. I cannot help but wonder what kind of candidate such a library is expecting to find with so many obstacles and such a poor preparation to even interview someone. How can they not know how to use a phone for an interview? I also have to agree: there is a serious and significant lack of courtesy and common decency on the part of libraries interviewing. I am still getting rejection letters from places I applied at last summer, and some of them were places I actually interviewed with. And as Jill points out, well, don&#8217;t even get me started on how untimely some places handle reimbursing travel. Just because the job search is hard, it does not mean that those interviewing have to treat candidates pretty much like meat in a market. The sad thing indeed, besides making it hard for candidates, is that some of these places won&#8217;t be getting the best candidates. After all, you can only take so much before you decide to move on.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Hurst-Wahl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Hurst-Wahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2005 01:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry that you&#039;re having to go through this.  I&#039;m glad you decline to go to the interview.</description>
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