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		<title>By: lmwilker</title>
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		<dc:creator>lmwilker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see only administrators considering themselves as &quot;professionals&quot; while those people actually delivering service, people with the same educational backgrounds, being considered on the same level as people who ask &quot;would you like fries with that?&quot; I see administrative salaries go through the roof while student labor fills the ranks of &quot;service&quot; and depress pay to the $11.00 an hour mark for library staff. I see a gool ol&#039; girls network that is catty, backstabbing, and exclusionary. My husband found a written reference where a librarian at his institution was asked if he had any &quot;personal problems that would interfere with his job&quot; and this so-called &quot;professional went on to trash our teenage daughter who has an inorperable brain tumor. I say abolish tenure. It is corrupt and leads to a consoldation of power that leaves no voice for librarians actually practicing in the field, not attaending navel gazing, pat-yourself-on-the-back meetings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see only administrators considering themselves as &#8220;professionals&#8221; while those people actually delivering service, people with the same educational backgrounds, being considered on the same level as people who ask &#8220;would you like fries with that?&#8221; I see administrative salaries go through the roof while student labor fills the ranks of &#8220;service&#8221; and depress pay to the $11.00 an hour mark for library staff. I see a gool ol&#8217; girls network that is catty, backstabbing, and exclusionary. My husband found a written reference where a librarian at his institution was asked if he had any &#8220;personal problems that would interfere with his job&#8221; and this so-called &#8220;professional went on to trash our teenage daughter who has an inorperable brain tumor. I say abolish tenure. It is corrupt and leads to a consoldation of power that leaves no voice for librarians actually practicing in the field, not attaending navel gazing, pat-yourself-on-the-back meetings.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recent experience convinces me that the &quot;tenure&quot; vs. &quot;non-tenure&quot; arguments are increasingly irrelevant.  What is relevant is how the structures we have in place for job security and professional growth actually provide either--and I would maintain that the first is relevant to the second.  Having had the experience of working on a grant-funded project for some years, and then sought to return to the library (which I&#039;d been promised I could do), I&#039;ve realized just how rigid libraries can be about these issues. 

I&#039;d been involved in &quot;research&quot; during my project years, without a job description, much supervision or standard evaluation, and a lot more politics (that was the bad part).  When I wanted to return to the bosom of the library, there were no obvious jobs for me to fill, and because of my seniority and (relatively) high salary I was not an attractive bet for some of those who might have been inclined to want to use my skills and experience. It didn&#039;t help that I had a reputation for independence and impatience with the badly prepared ... ;-)  The powers that be were prepared to end my appointment early and force me into early retirement as a result, regardless of my more than 25 years of excellent service with the institution.

In any case, mostly because I have good skills and a willingness to reinvent myself, I worked out a deal which retains my academic appointment (academic non-faculty, five years at a time, renewable) but does not require the institution to pay me, I&#039;m basically raising my own salary with grants and consulting. It&#039;s a good move for me, and like most of the best professional changes I&#039;ve made, pretty involuntary. 

But the whole business reminded me how vulnerable we are, regardless of our great skills and good service.  This is not to say that I&#039;m advocating tenure for librarians--I&#039;m not sure tenure is such a great deal either, but the &quot;employment model&quot; in place in most libraries is not necessarily going to fit well with the enormous changes we see coming. In my case I feel like I&#039;m bringing the &quot;research model&quot; more common in academic departments into the library.  They&#039;re not particularly comfortable with it yet, but I&#039;m determined to make it work. If for no other reason that it will pave the way for others ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recent experience convinces me that the &#8220;tenure&#8221; vs. &#8220;non-tenure&#8221; arguments are increasingly irrelevant.  What is relevant is how the structures we have in place for job security and professional growth actually provide either&#8211;and I would maintain that the first is relevant to the second.  Having had the experience of working on a grant-funded project for some years, and then sought to return to the library (which I&#8217;d been promised I could do), I&#8217;ve realized just how rigid libraries can be about these issues. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d been involved in &#8220;research&#8221; during my project years, without a job description, much supervision or standard evaluation, and a lot more politics (that was the bad part).  When I wanted to return to the bosom of the library, there were no obvious jobs for me to fill, and because of my seniority and (relatively) high salary I was not an attractive bet for some of those who might have been inclined to want to use my skills and experience. It didn&#8217;t help that I had a reputation for independence and impatience with the badly prepared &#8230; <img src='http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   The powers that be were prepared to end my appointment early and force me into early retirement as a result, regardless of my more than 25 years of excellent service with the institution.</p>
<p>In any case, mostly because I have good skills and a willingness to reinvent myself, I worked out a deal which retains my academic appointment (academic non-faculty, five years at a time, renewable) but does not require the institution to pay me, I&#8217;m basically raising my own salary with grants and consulting. It&#8217;s a good move for me, and like most of the best professional changes I&#8217;ve made, pretty involuntary. </p>
<p>But the whole business reminded me how vulnerable we are, regardless of our great skills and good service.  This is not to say that I&#8217;m advocating tenure for librarians&#8211;I&#8217;m not sure tenure is such a great deal either, but the &#8220;employment model&#8221; in place in most libraries is not necessarily going to fit well with the enormous changes we see coming. In my case I feel like I&#8217;m bringing the &#8220;research model&#8221; more common in academic departments into the library.  They&#8217;re not particularly comfortable with it yet, but I&#8217;m determined to make it work. If for no other reason that it will pave the way for others &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: eclectic librarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>eclectic librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;to tenure or not to tenure&lt;/strong&gt;

Meredith Farkas of Information Wants To Be Free has a great essay on one of the great conundrums of academic...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>to tenure or not to tenure</strong></p>
<p>Meredith Farkas of Information Wants To Be Free has a great essay on one of the great conundrums of academic&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Information Wants To Be Free &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Public speaking and wiki-evangelizing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Information Wants To Be Free &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Public speaking and wiki-evangelizing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] That night, I got an email from the Dean of the Online Graduate Program asking if he could meet with me to talk about an idea he had and how I think wikis could be used for that project. The next morning I got a call from another faculty member about using wikis internally. The head of one of the graduate programs wants to integrate wikis into his classes immediately for use in group projects. It&#8217;s pretty amazing that these big tenured faculty members, these division heads, would listen to some young, newly-minted librarian! Like I said last week, what you can offer faculty is more important than what title you have. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] That night, I got an email from the Dean of the Online Graduate Program asking if he could meet with me to talk about an idea he had and how I think wikis could be used for that project. The next morning I got a call from another faculty member about using wikis internally. The head of one of the graduate programs wants to integrate wikis into his classes immediately for use in group projects. It&#8217;s pretty amazing that these big tenured faculty members, these division heads, would listen to some young, newly-minted librarian! Like I said last week, what you can offer faculty is more important than what title you have. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Teacher Sol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teacher Sol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2005 23:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use the World Wide Web too when I give reference lists for my studets&#039; research projects.

But the question is, is it really safe for our kids to be dependent on internet research?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use the World Wide Web too when I give reference lists for my studets&#8217; research projects.</p>
<p>But the question is, is it really safe for our kids to be dependent on internet research?</p>
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		<title>By: Library Voice &#187; Librarianship, Degrees, and Perceptions of Educational Level</title>
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		<dc:creator>Library Voice &#187; Librarianship, Degrees, and Perceptions of Educational Level</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rochelle has written a great post about faculty and librarians as being &#8220;comrades in arms.&#8221; Most recently, Meredith also blogged about whether academic librarians are faculty or support staff. The faculty status of librarians is a debate that is ongoing. If you talk to colleagues at my library, where we do not have a tenure track, nearly all will tell you that they wouldn&#8217;t have it any other way. At the same time, if you talke to other librarians at other libraries, they will tell you that they enjoy the scholarship requirements of their job, and they really enjoy the protection that tenure provides. I haven&#8217;t worked in a tenure track organization yet, so I can&#8217;t really speak to that issue. However, what I can speak of is my experience as a reference librarian and my interactions with faculty over the past three years. Rochelle writes: And that’s the crux of it, always. We want the teaching faculty (and by this I mean anyone from the rank of associate professor on up) to see us as their equals, as comrades-in-arms in the daily battle to produce good scholarship, excellent graduates, and better the general welfare of our shared institution and Knowledge in general. We want a standing invitation to the faculty club. We don’t want to be seen as the help. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Rochelle has written a great post about faculty and librarians as being &#8220;comrades in arms.&#8221; Most recently, Meredith also blogged about whether academic librarians are faculty or support staff. The faculty status of librarians is a debate that is ongoing. If you talk to colleagues at my library, where we do not have a tenure track, nearly all will tell you that they wouldn&#8217;t have it any other way. At the same time, if you talke to other librarians at other libraries, they will tell you that they enjoy the scholarship requirements of their job, and they really enjoy the protection that tenure provides. I haven&#8217;t worked in a tenure track organization yet, so I can&#8217;t really speak to that issue. However, what I can speak of is my experience as a reference librarian and my interactions with faculty over the past three years. Rochelle writes: And that’s the crux of it, always. We want the teaching faculty (and by this I mean anyone from the rank of associate professor on up) to see us as their equals, as comrades-in-arms in the daily battle to produce good scholarship, excellent graduates, and better the general welfare of our shared institution and Knowledge in general. We want a standing invitation to the faculty club. We don’t want to be seen as the help. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 01:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, Meredith! At the bloggers&#039; salon at ALA summer, I noticed you were not tall and that you were much younger than me. I didn&#039;t notice anything else. :)  

I lean your way....I was a faculty member with tenure and had many colleagues who argued vociferously and passionately that this was just and right--that we would be mere drudges in the academic mills otherwise. I never ever got that sense myself. I would hope that our profession&#039;s regard and standing on a campus would be connected to demonstrated ability and performance not a contract designation. 

The one area I personally found faculty status helpful was for participation in governance. I was active in the Faculty Association and held office, something I would not have been able to do without faculty status--and would not be of interest to many, of course.

And a little voice deep inside me has wondered, now and then, if academic librarians who make a great to-do about faculty status are worried, secretly, that only legislated status proves worth, because for way too many librarians it&#039;s so hard to demonstrate otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Meredith! At the bloggers&#8217; salon at ALA summer, I noticed you were not tall and that you were much younger than me. I didn&#8217;t notice anything else. <img src='http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>I lean your way&#8230;.I was a faculty member with tenure and had many colleagues who argued vociferously and passionately that this was just and right&#8211;that we would be mere drudges in the academic mills otherwise. I never ever got that sense myself. I would hope that our profession&#8217;s regard and standing on a campus would be connected to demonstrated ability and performance not a contract designation. </p>
<p>The one area I personally found faculty status helpful was for participation in governance. I was active in the Faculty Association and held office, something I would not have been able to do without faculty status&#8211;and would not be of interest to many, of course.</p>
<p>And a little voice deep inside me has wondered, now and then, if academic librarians who make a great to-do about faculty status are worried, secretly, that only legislated status proves worth, because for way too many librarians it&#8217;s so hard to demonstrate otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorcan Dempsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorcan Dempsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2005 06:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMHO one of the unfortunate consequences of tenure pursuit by librarians is the pressure to publish in the formal literature. 

We have a published literature which is large and largely undistinguished. The demand for publications from editors exceeds the supply of interesting material.

For a community that is interested in the reform of scholarly communication this is not good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO one of the unfortunate consequences of tenure pursuit by librarians is the pressure to publish in the formal literature. </p>
<p>We have a published literature which is large and largely undistinguished. The demand for publications from editors exceeds the supply of interesting material.</p>
<p>For a community that is interested in the reform of scholarly communication this is not good.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2005 01:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post!  I ended up in an academic setting by accident, so I sort of sidestepped the whole issue of tenure or not tenure.  I&#039;m not tenure track, but do have faculty status.  While I haven&#039;t had lots of direct interaction with professors yet (that will change once I take over the 100 level instruction this week), the couple that I have have been very welcoming, accomodating, and respectful.  The one in particular that I&#039;ve dealt with the most so far was very open about the fact that I know what has to offer better than she does, and she trusts me to present that in the best way possible.

I&#039;m hoping this trend continues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post!  I ended up in an academic setting by accident, so I sort of sidestepped the whole issue of tenure or not tenure.  I&#8217;m not tenure track, but do have faculty status.  While I haven&#8217;t had lots of direct interaction with professors yet (that will change once I take over the 100 level instruction this week), the couple that I have have been very welcoming, accomodating, and respectful.  The one in particular that I&#8217;ve dealt with the most so far was very open about the fact that I know what has to offer better than she does, and she trusts me to present that in the best way possible.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hoping this trend continues.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda Robertson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda Robertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2005 01:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a corporate librarian whose degree (economics) has little to do with the field I work in (chemistry), I can say that for the most part, I get nothing but respect from my clients.  These are chemists with PhDs who are thrilled to pieces when I can locate some information that they&#039;ve been killing themselves trying to find.

I used to want to be an academic librarian, but was deterred by two events: the realization that I would have to publish in some positions, and an attitude among academic-centered library students in my program that special/corporate librarians were effectively doing their clients homework.  I was so taken aback that I thought perhaps I should attack librarianship from a different angle.

I think the politics of academia would have annoyed me as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a corporate librarian whose degree (economics) has little to do with the field I work in (chemistry), I can say that for the most part, I get nothing but respect from my clients.  These are chemists with PhDs who are thrilled to pieces when I can locate some information that they&#8217;ve been killing themselves trying to find.</p>
<p>I used to want to be an academic librarian, but was deterred by two events: the realization that I would have to publish in some positions, and an attitude among academic-centered library students in my program that special/corporate librarians were effectively doing their clients homework.  I was so taken aback that I thought perhaps I should attack librarianship from a different angle.</p>
<p>I think the politics of academia would have annoyed me as well.</p>
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