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		<title>By: JD Kotula</title>
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		<dc:creator>JD Kotula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 22:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank goodness someone is talking about the difficulty of finding a job as a new librarian!  My search took about 9 months as well, and I took the first job I was offered (which has luckily turned out to be a wonderful place to work).  Meanwhile, all my professors at the University of Pittsburgh kept talking about all the soon-to-be retirements.  What they don&#039;t tell you is that people are always retiring, so that bit of information cannot be sanely classified as news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank goodness someone is talking about the difficulty of finding a job as a new librarian!  My search took about 9 months as well, and I took the first job I was offered (which has luckily turned out to be a wonderful place to work).  Meanwhile, all my professors at the University of Pittsburgh kept talking about all the soon-to-be retirements.  What they don&#8217;t tell you is that people are always retiring, so that bit of information cannot be sanely classified as news.</p>
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		<title>By: David Lee King &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Personal Tagging Can Be Funny Sometimes&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Lee King &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Personal Tagging Can Be Funny Sometimes&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 19:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Then (ok - seriously - scroll on down past the hamburger ads&#8230;) you&#8217;re greeted with four posts: two discussing her work on the Katrina Project, one titled &#8220;ALA to see changes,&#8221; and one titled &#8220;On Becoming the Change You Want to See.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Then (ok &#8211; seriously &#8211; scroll on down past the hamburger ads&#8230;) you&#8217;re greeted with four posts: two discussing her work on the Katrina Project, one titled &#8220;ALA to see changes,&#8221; and one titled &#8220;On Becoming the Change You Want to See.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My advice would be apply for the jobs requiring two years experience.  We just finished a search (re-opened at that) for a reference librarian and the staff insisted on putting in a year&#039;s experience (it was before I came, couldn&#039;t do anything about it.)  We hired someone right out of school (so it can happen!)  

I would echo Alex&#039;s advice to work, internships always stand out and they give you references who can talk about you in a professional setting.  The other thing that gave our new librarian a leg up was his presentation skills.  For academic public services these days it&#039;s a must.  Having a great power point won&#039;t overcome the fact that you can&#039;t speak in public!  It&#039;s a skill, it can be developed!

I got out of school in 1978 and didn&#039;t find a professional job until the fall of 1980.  It was one of the more depressing experiences of my life (although it did lead me to my husband) so I do have a great deal of sympathy for everyone who&#039;s in this position now.  One thing that helped me was my paraprofessional position in a local university library.  The experience was helpful on the ole resume, I got a lot of support and mentoring from my bosses and it helped pay off the student loans.

And I agree with the person who said that people aren&#039;t retiring like they should.  I have 3 people over 60 working for me now.  One is going to retire next year at age 70, the other two say they can&#039;t afford to retire at 65.  

I&#039;m going to try and get out of the way when the time comes, but you&#039;ve got another decade and a half to wait!

Best of luck to everyone searching for a job!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My advice would be apply for the jobs requiring two years experience.  We just finished a search (re-opened at that) for a reference librarian and the staff insisted on putting in a year&#8217;s experience (it was before I came, couldn&#8217;t do anything about it.)  We hired someone right out of school (so it can happen!)  </p>
<p>I would echo Alex&#8217;s advice to work, internships always stand out and they give you references who can talk about you in a professional setting.  The other thing that gave our new librarian a leg up was his presentation skills.  For academic public services these days it&#8217;s a must.  Having a great power point won&#8217;t overcome the fact that you can&#8217;t speak in public!  It&#8217;s a skill, it can be developed!</p>
<p>I got out of school in 1978 and didn&#8217;t find a professional job until the fall of 1980.  It was one of the more depressing experiences of my life (although it did lead me to my husband) so I do have a great deal of sympathy for everyone who&#8217;s in this position now.  One thing that helped me was my paraprofessional position in a local university library.  The experience was helpful on the ole resume, I got a lot of support and mentoring from my bosses and it helped pay off the student loans.</p>
<p>And I agree with the person who said that people aren&#8217;t retiring like they should.  I have 3 people over 60 working for me now.  One is going to retire next year at age 70, the other two say they can&#8217;t afford to retire at 65.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to try and get out of the way when the time comes, but you&#8217;ve got another decade and a half to wait!</p>
<p>Best of luck to everyone searching for a job!</p>
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		<title>By: AlexW</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlexW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 03:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been employed as a &quot;professional&quot; for almost 10 years at a medium-sized academic library. I&#039;ve been on numerous search committees for entry-level positions in our organization.  A couple of words of advice for those in library school: work in a library as much as you can while you&#039;re in school (even if it&#039;s not in a professional position); become active in the student chapter of ALA, SLA, or other professional organizations; attend conferences, workshops.  Include these things on your vita!  You will stand out among the applicants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been employed as a &#8220;professional&#8221; for almost 10 years at a medium-sized academic library. I&#8217;ve been on numerous search committees for entry-level positions in our organization.  A couple of words of advice for those in library school: work in a library as much as you can while you&#8217;re in school (even if it&#8217;s not in a professional position); become active in the student chapter of ALA, SLA, or other professional organizations; attend conferences, workshops.  Include these things on your vita!  You will stand out among the applicants.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Griffey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Griffey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2006 15:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: experience. Yeah, we&#039;ve all had that chicken and egg problem before. And certainly there are a LOT of people applying for jobs. I know that the job I&#039;m currently in had a pool of 120 or so applications. For some of the more sought after areas of the country, yeah..I have no doubt that some will get 400-500 applications sometimes.

I would LOVE to see a good study done, with qualitative questions that ask and examine the reasons for job acceptance/rejection. Is anyone out there doing something like this now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: experience. Yeah, we&#8217;ve all had that chicken and egg problem before. And certainly there are a LOT of people applying for jobs. I know that the job I&#8217;m currently in had a pool of 120 or so applications. For some of the more sought after areas of the country, yeah..I have no doubt that some will get 400-500 applications sometimes.</p>
<p>I would LOVE to see a good study done, with qualitative questions that ask and examine the reasons for job acceptance/rejection. Is anyone out there doing something like this now?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2006 05:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the same subject, an article by Jonathan Clements in the March 8 Wall Street Journal points up several national macro trends that, while not specific to any one field of employment, feed into the whole &quot;Why aren&#039;t more librarians retiring&quot; question. 

They are: (1) Life expectancy is on the rise in the United States and the trend is only going to continue. (2) Health care costs and pension costs are escalating at astronomical rates and if workers have solid benefits, they are unwilling to surrender them, even if it means not retiring. (3) Interest rates are lower and retirement investment returns are smaller as a result.

When you consider those macro trends, along with the fact that librarians who don&#039;t retire may just love their jobs and want to continue to do them as long as they possibly can, as is the case with many librarians I know, the librarian shortage meme seems more than somewhat out of step with the situation on the ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the same subject, an article by Jonathan Clements in the March 8 Wall Street Journal points up several national macro trends that, while not specific to any one field of employment, feed into the whole &#8220;Why aren&#8217;t more librarians retiring&#8221; question. </p>
<p>They are: (1) Life expectancy is on the rise in the United States and the trend is only going to continue. (2) Health care costs and pension costs are escalating at astronomical rates and if workers have solid benefits, they are unwilling to surrender them, even if it means not retiring. (3) Interest rates are lower and retirement investment returns are smaller as a result.</p>
<p>When you consider those macro trends, along with the fact that librarians who don&#8217;t retire may just love their jobs and want to continue to do them as long as they possibly can, as is the case with many librarians I know, the librarian shortage meme seems more than somewhat out of step with the situation on the ground.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Ghikas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Ghikas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2006 00:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s an article in the March 2006 issue of Fast Company -- a business-oriented mag with a &quot;wired&quot;-like difference -- that may be interesting:  &quot;The Population Hourglass&quot; by Andrew Zolli (listed, among other things, as the &quot;curator of the annual PopTech conference).  He has an interesting discussion about the &quot;tri-furcation&quot; of boomers -- some retiring, some happily continuing work in companies/organizations that want them to stay, some in a &quot;nether retirement&quot; (which I believe means underfunded) where they &quot;serve as a object lesson for their children.&quot;  He goes on to discuss the new &quot;glass ceiling&quot; (his word is &quot;ass ceiling&quot; actually) created by older employers who are either &quot;all-too-healthy or all-too-indebted&quot; to retire.  It&#039;s an interesting article -- though not focused strictly on employment issues.

This is an interesting, if painful, discussion.  Useful.  I&#039;m not sure where it goes -- and don&#039;t have any easy answers.  The discussion is beneficial, though.

mg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an article in the March 2006 issue of Fast Company &#8212; a business-oriented mag with a &#8220;wired&#8221;-like difference &#8212; that may be interesting:  &#8220;The Population Hourglass&#8221; by Andrew Zolli (listed, among other things, as the &#8220;curator of the annual PopTech conference).  He has an interesting discussion about the &#8220;tri-furcation&#8221; of boomers &#8212; some retiring, some happily continuing work in companies/organizations that want them to stay, some in a &#8220;nether retirement&#8221; (which I believe means underfunded) where they &#8220;serve as a object lesson for their children.&#8221;  He goes on to discuss the new &#8220;glass ceiling&#8221; (his word is &#8220;ass ceiling&#8221; actually) created by older employers who are either &#8220;all-too-healthy or all-too-indebted&#8221; to retire.  It&#8217;s an interesting article &#8212; though not focused strictly on employment issues.</p>
<p>This is an interesting, if painful, discussion.  Useful.  I&#8217;m not sure where it goes &#8212; and don&#8217;t have any easy answers.  The discussion is beneficial, though.</p>
<p>mg</p>
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		<title>By: Meredith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meredith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say that none of those jobs are going to new librarians.  Just that there aren&#039;t enough to go around.  But maybe I and all the other people I&#039;ve talked with who applied for 80 or more jobs during their time on the job search were just unqualified candidates.  I don&#039;t know.  My colleagues here seem to like me a lot, so maybe I&#039;m an ok librarian.

How closely did you look at those jobs?  The vast majority of the jobs I saw required a minimum of two years post-grad experience.  And in the jobs for which I had in-person interviews and did not get the job, the reason was usually experience.  The job, while entry-level, often went to a librarian who had been in the field a while.  I&#039;ve heard of some libraries (especially in attractive areas like Chicagoland) receiving 100 resumes for a single entry-level position.  Crazy! 

Some people find jobs after a few weeks and some don&#039;t for more than a year.  The reasons people get jobs can be so random -- like you went to the same college as their daughter or you just click with someone there because they see a lot of themselves in you. It&#039;s all about right place, right time, right people, right fit.  Keep in mind also, that some libraries do not take seriously resumes they get from people who live far away, especially when they can&#039;t afford to fly candidates in. Being a &quot;local&quot; can have major benefits.  None of us should imagine that our experience is typical, but I&#039;ve gotten e-mails from way too many people who have had a lot of trouble finding a job to believe that there is a current librarian shortage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t say that none of those jobs are going to new librarians.  Just that there aren&#8217;t enough to go around.  But maybe I and all the other people I&#8217;ve talked with who applied for 80 or more jobs during their time on the job search were just unqualified candidates.  I don&#8217;t know.  My colleagues here seem to like me a lot, so maybe I&#8217;m an ok librarian.</p>
<p>How closely did you look at those jobs?  The vast majority of the jobs I saw required a minimum of two years post-grad experience.  And in the jobs for which I had in-person interviews and did not get the job, the reason was usually experience.  The job, while entry-level, often went to a librarian who had been in the field a while.  I&#8217;ve heard of some libraries (especially in attractive areas like Chicagoland) receiving 100 resumes for a single entry-level position.  Crazy! </p>
<p>Some people find jobs after a few weeks and some don&#8217;t for more than a year.  The reasons people get jobs can be so random &#8212; like you went to the same college as their daughter or you just click with someone there because they see a lot of themselves in you. It&#8217;s all about right place, right time, right people, right fit.  Keep in mind also, that some libraries do not take seriously resumes they get from people who live far away, especially when they can&#8217;t afford to fly candidates in. Being a &#8220;local&#8221; can have major benefits.  None of us should imagine that our experience is typical, but I&#8217;ve gotten e-mails from way too many people who have had a lot of trouble finding a job to believe that there is a current librarian shortage.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Griffey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Griffey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 19:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit: I&#039;ve never understood the difficulty in getting a position. I graduated with my MLS in May 2004, moved to a very limited geographical area, only applied to a single type of library and position (reference/instruction academic), and had a tenure track position in June of 2005.

Over a year, you ask? Well..yeah. I didn&#039;t sit around in the meantime...I got a job at a university, I kept up my reading, and kept my nose in libraries. And the only reason it took that long is that I had, basically, 2 schools within driving distance. If I had the entire country, it would have been very different.

Is it REALLY that hard to find job out there, esp. if you&#039;re willing to move around? There are dozens of jobs every week in the Chronicle....none of those are going to new librarians?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit: I&#8217;ve never understood the difficulty in getting a position. I graduated with my MLS in May 2004, moved to a very limited geographical area, only applied to a single type of library and position (reference/instruction academic), and had a tenure track position in June of 2005.</p>
<p>Over a year, you ask? Well..yeah. I didn&#8217;t sit around in the meantime&#8230;I got a job at a university, I kept up my reading, and kept my nose in libraries. And the only reason it took that long is that I had, basically, 2 schools within driving distance. If I had the entire country, it would have been very different.</p>
<p>Is it REALLY that hard to find job out there, esp. if you&#8217;re willing to move around? There are dozens of jobs every week in the Chronicle&#8230;.none of those are going to new librarians?</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Hurst-Wahl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Hurst-Wahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 16:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meredith...well the name thing is funny!  I guess your &quot;fame&quot; has not spread as widely as it should.

I would like to see real solid proof about the need for more librarians, given all of the problems I see with people (librarians) trying to find good paying jobs.  I think the associations would do everyone a great service if they got &quot;on the ground&quot; and did research to show exactly where the jobs are, how jobs are changing, how the industry is changing, etc.  Let&#039;s not say that we need X-number of new librarians, if that is not true.  And if that is not true, then let&#039;s challenge our library schools (information schools) to re-tool themselves to turn out graduates for the jobs that will be available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meredith&#8230;well the name thing is funny!  I guess your &#8220;fame&#8221; has not spread as widely as it should.</p>
<p>I would like to see real solid proof about the need for more librarians, given all of the problems I see with people (librarians) trying to find good paying jobs.  I think the associations would do everyone a great service if they got &#8220;on the ground&#8221; and did research to show exactly where the jobs are, how jobs are changing, how the industry is changing, etc.  Let&#8217;s not say that we need X-number of new librarians, if that is not true.  And if that is not true, then let&#8217;s challenge our library schools (information schools) to re-tool themselves to turn out graduates for the jobs that will be available.</p>
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