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		<title>By: Meredith Farkas</title>
		<link>http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/2007/04/09/fun-with-elsevier/comment-page-1/#comment-172087</link>
		<dc:creator>Meredith Farkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This comment is actually from Ale de Vries, Product Manager at Science Direct:

&quot;Being the Product Manager at ScienceDirect responsible for linking, I felt compelled by your post to try to explain the background to the College Edition linking problems, and to tell you about what we&#039;re doing to solve them.

The issue with article-level links to College Edition is an unforeseen consequence of a major infrastructure release that we deployed on March 3rd. Basically, two factors contributed to the problem:

- The first one was that of the article locator page popping up. The article locator isn&#039;t new - it&#039;s been around for a very long time, but it only used to present itself for about 200 Elsevier medical and life science journals. A logic consequence of our architectural changes, however, was that the page was presented for pretty much all of our 2,000 journals on ScienceDirect. This created much more confusion than we anticipated - clearly a miscalculation on our part. We have reverted this course of action, and the article locator page is now again appearing only for the original 200 or so journals.

- We also have a software code bug that has been breaking article-level linking from PubMed and CrossRef for College Edition customers for some time now. We have a solution for this, but we need to prepare it, test it to make sure it works, and then deploy it. I&#039;d love to be able to make a promise about when we will able to implement this fix, but fact is that it might take a few weeks. As soon as we have a fixed date, we&#039;ll make sure that our College Edition customers get informed about it. After the fix, seamless linking to the full-text of subscribed journals in your College Edition collections will work without a hitch.

Due to the complexity and scale of ScienceDirect, it took us some time to identify all issues surrounding this problem and come up with a good game plan - but that doesn&#039;t justify the mixed - and at times clearly wrong - messages you and others have been getting from our support organization and from our sales reps. Even as we were still investigating the issues, we could at least have made sure that you got a consistent and correct answer from us. We didn&#039;t do that, and I apologize for it.

Please continue to blog and vent your opinion about what we&#039;re doing. Although a bit painful at times, it is very valuable to us.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This comment is actually from Ale de Vries, Product Manager at Science Direct:</p>
<p>&#8220;Being the Product Manager at ScienceDirect responsible for linking, I felt compelled by your post to try to explain the background to the College Edition linking problems, and to tell you about what we&#8217;re doing to solve them.</p>
<p>The issue with article-level links to College Edition is an unforeseen consequence of a major infrastructure release that we deployed on March 3rd. Basically, two factors contributed to the problem:</p>
<p>- The first one was that of the article locator page popping up. The article locator isn&#8217;t new &#8211; it&#8217;s been around for a very long time, but it only used to present itself for about 200 Elsevier medical and life science journals. A logic consequence of our architectural changes, however, was that the page was presented for pretty much all of our 2,000 journals on ScienceDirect. This created much more confusion than we anticipated &#8211; clearly a miscalculation on our part. We have reverted this course of action, and the article locator page is now again appearing only for the original 200 or so journals.</p>
<p>- We also have a software code bug that has been breaking article-level linking from PubMed and CrossRef for College Edition customers for some time now. We have a solution for this, but we need to prepare it, test it to make sure it works, and then deploy it. I&#8217;d love to be able to make a promise about when we will able to implement this fix, but fact is that it might take a few weeks. As soon as we have a fixed date, we&#8217;ll make sure that our College Edition customers get informed about it. After the fix, seamless linking to the full-text of subscribed journals in your College Edition collections will work without a hitch.</p>
<p>Due to the complexity and scale of ScienceDirect, it took us some time to identify all issues surrounding this problem and come up with a good game plan &#8211; but that doesn&#8217;t justify the mixed &#8211; and at times clearly wrong &#8211; messages you and others have been getting from our support organization and from our sales reps. Even as we were still investigating the issues, we could at least have made sure that you got a consistent and correct answer from us. We didn&#8217;t do that, and I apologize for it.</p>
<p>Please continue to blog and vent your opinion about what we&#8217;re doing. Although a bit painful at times, it is very valuable to us.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jennimi</title>
		<link>http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/2007/04/09/fun-with-elsevier/comment-page-1/#comment-171515</link>
		<dc:creator>jennimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 02:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got a free laser pointer from Elsevier at ASIST from a guy who couldn&#039;t tell me boo about the journals he was trying to sell me.  (My mom&#039;s cat loves the pointer).  Half the bloggers I know give superb customer service/tech support for free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got a free laser pointer from Elsevier at ASIST from a guy who couldn&#8217;t tell me boo about the journals he was trying to sell me.  (My mom&#8217;s cat loves the pointer).  Half the bloggers I know give superb customer service/tech support for free.</p>
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		<title>By: Jodi Schneider</title>
		<link>http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/2007/04/09/fun-with-elsevier/comment-page-1/#comment-171442</link>
		<dc:creator>Jodi Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don&#039;t use DOI&#039;s for ScienceDirect because of the &quot;Article Locator&quot; (Dislocator?). We *can* get in from the the Elsevier &quot;Article Locator&quot; by clicking on the ScienceDirect option. But I really wish I&#039;d fix their system. It&#039;s *very* broken. They seem to expect that institutions use a cookie-setting URL to the appropriate copy:
http://www.info.sciencedirect.com/implementing/linking/article_locator/
I don&#039;t see why anyone would want to do that. 

Instead, like Heather, we&#039;d use the displayed URL:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&amp;_udi=B6WNY-45SJBXF-1R&amp;_user=582442&amp;_coverDate=07%2F31%2F2000&amp;_rdoc=1&amp;_fmt=&amp;_orig=search&amp;_sort=d&amp;view=c&amp;_acct=C000029699&amp;_version=1&amp;_urlVersion=0&amp;_userid=582442&amp;md5=41d3387119e7ce37fc81122cc53a510f
They&#039;re not actually PERMANENT but they seem sufficiently stable for ereserve. 

(It&#039;s interesting that if you use their system to &quot;email&quot; the article, they don&#039;t use the DOI, but a citation token.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t use DOI&#8217;s for ScienceDirect because of the &#8220;Article Locator&#8221; (Dislocator?). We *can* get in from the the Elsevier &#8220;Article Locator&#8221; by clicking on the ScienceDirect option. But I really wish I&#8217;d fix their system. It&#8217;s *very* broken. They seem to expect that institutions use a cookie-setting URL to the appropriate copy:<br />
<a href="http://www.info.sciencedirect.com/implementing/linking/article_locator/" rel="nofollow">http://www.info.sciencedirect.com/implementing/linking/article_locator/</a><br />
I don&#8217;t see why anyone would want to do that. </p>
<p>Instead, like Heather, we&#8217;d use the displayed URL:<br />
<a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&amp;_udi=B6WNY-45SJBXF-1R&amp;_user=582442&amp;_coverDate=07%2F31%2F2000&amp;_rdoc=1&amp;_fmt=&amp;_orig=search&amp;_sort=d&amp;view=c&amp;_acct=C000029699&amp;_version=1&amp;_urlVersion=0&amp;_userid=582442&amp;md5=41d3387119e7ce37fc81122cc53a510f" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&amp;_udi=B6WNY-45SJBXF-1R&amp;_user=582442&amp;_coverDate=07%2F31%2F2000&amp;_rdoc=1&amp;_fmt=&amp;_orig=search&amp;_sort=d&amp;view=c&amp;_acct=C000029699&amp;_version=1&amp;_urlVersion=0&amp;_userid=582442&amp;md5=41d3387119e7ce37fc81122cc53a510f</a><br />
They&#8217;re not actually PERMANENT but they seem sufficiently stable for ereserve. </p>
<p>(It&#8217;s interesting that if you use their system to &#8220;email&#8221; the article, they don&#8217;t use the DOI, but a citation token.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Rochkind</title>
		<link>http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/2007/04/09/fun-with-elsevier/comment-page-1/#comment-171381</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Rochkind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 03:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was quite recently some discussion/complaint of Elsevier&#039;s  DOI linking features on one of the link resolver SFX&#039;s user group&#039;s lists recently. Around the same sorts of things you&#039;re talking about--people getting taken to the wrong databases. But from a different direction, since they were talking about SFX generated links.I think it resulted in a slight change to SFX behavior, and possibly a change to Elsevier behavior too (which I wonder if whatever they changed made things worse for you! Their whole external linking architecture seems poorly thought out for the actual environment).  

I actually just sort of skimmed the thread and forget the details , but anyway, you aren&#039;t the first to notice problems with their external linking mechanisms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was quite recently some discussion/complaint of Elsevier&#8217;s  DOI linking features on one of the link resolver SFX&#8217;s user group&#8217;s lists recently. Around the same sorts of things you&#8217;re talking about&#8211;people getting taken to the wrong databases. But from a different direction, since they were talking about SFX generated links.I think it resulted in a slight change to SFX behavior, and possibly a change to Elsevier behavior too (which I wonder if whatever they changed made things worse for you! Their whole external linking architecture seems poorly thought out for the actual environment).  </p>
<p>I actually just sort of skimmed the thread and forget the details , but anyway, you aren&#8217;t the first to notice problems with their external linking mechanisms.</p>
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		<title>By: heather whipple</title>
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		<dc:creator>heather whipple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We had a similar problem, and in our case, it was having the &quot;.&quot; in the last part of the DOI url that seemed to be the issue in our ereserve system.  SD DOIs without any &quot;.&quot; after the final &quot;/&quot; worked.  

We ended up using the url included with the citation export, which seemed to match the browser window url.  That was 6 weeks ago, and I haven&#039;t checked back to see if the links still work. (nobody has told me that they don&#039;t, though.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had a similar problem, and in our case, it was having the &#8220;.&#8221; in the last part of the DOI url that seemed to be the issue in our ereserve system.  SD DOIs without any &#8220;.&#8221; after the final &#8220;/&#8221; worked.  </p>
<p>We ended up using the url included with the citation export, which seemed to match the browser window url.  That was 6 weeks ago, and I haven&#8217;t checked back to see if the links still work. (nobody has told me that they don&#8217;t, though.)</p>
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		<title>By: Fiona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fiona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 23:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Dave Pattern Says: 
&quot;Reed Elsevier was one of several publishers investigated by a House of Commons’ Committee a couple of years backin the UK.&quot;

When I was in London a few weeks back there were protests on the street about Elsevier outside their offices. You&#039;ve got to be concerned about a publisher that attracts that sort of attention!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dave Pattern Says:<br />
&#8220;Reed Elsevier was one of several publishers investigated by a House of Commons’ Committee a couple of years backin the UK.&#8221;</p>
<p>When I was in London a few weeks back there were protests on the street about Elsevier outside their offices. You&#8217;ve got to be concerned about a publisher that attracts that sort of attention!</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 23:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That sort of cuistomer service is not unusual in my experience.  I started computers with 80 hole punch cards and can usually tell a line of bull.... when it happens and too many times hear, &quot;The fault is on your end.&quot; when it clearly is not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sort of cuistomer service is not unusual in my experience.  I started computers with 80 hole punch cards and can usually tell a line of bull&#8230;. when it happens and too many times hear, &#8220;The fault is on your end.&#8221; when it clearly is not.</p>
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		<title>By: barbara trumpinski-roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>barbara trumpinski-roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got it with no problem, but Elsevier is not user friendly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got it with no problem, but Elsevier is not user friendly.</p>
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		<title>By: Meredith Farkas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meredith Farkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, I asked the Tech Support guy about that and he said those links are not durable, but I really should just give them a try. The only problem is, links are really hard to change mid-course once they are put into WebCT so I&#039;d rather give them instructions on how to manually get to the article than give them a link that may not work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, I asked the Tech Support guy about that and he said those links are not durable, but I really should just give them a try. The only problem is, links are really hard to change mid-course once they are put into WebCT so I&#8217;d rather give them instructions on how to manually get to the article than give them a link that may not work.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul R. Pival</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul R. Pival</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, don&#039;t have the College Edition here, but it links right through for the full version of Science Direct on my campus...  I have found that the URL displayed in the browser for Science Direct usually will work as a persistent URL - have you tried the obvious yet?  Maybe it&#039;ll work for College Edition too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, don&#8217;t have the College Edition here, but it links right through for the full version of Science Direct on my campus&#8230;  I have found that the URL displayed in the browser for Science Direct usually will work as a persistent URL &#8211; have you tried the obvious yet?  Maybe it&#8217;ll work for College Edition too?</p>
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