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		<title>By: phil shapiro</title>
		<link>http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/2007/07/08/breaking-news-librarians-can-be-hip/comment-page-1/#comment-182291</link>
		<dc:creator>phil shapiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 02:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>meredith, thanks for sharing your thoughts and bringing the foolishness of NYT reporters to light.

once in a while these reporters write an excellent article, but that&#039;s often the exception rather than the rule.

most often they&#039;re clueless. completely, entirely clueless. 

one of the most forceful ways of responding to them is to grab a screen shot of their foolishness and then explained in our own voices why they&#039;re clueless.

i used camtasia studio (on windows) to respond to these two offending articles.

http://tinyurl.com/g9kql


http://www.writersforliteracy.org/jaguarcarreview.html

and then if you&#039;d really like to have fun, create your own panel discussion on the topic. see

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GHVbxsbECCM

   responding to their offending writing with more writing is battling them on their turf. we need to bring the battle to our turf -- to the rich media web -- which we own, and they visit. 

   phil shapiro, public geek
   takoma park maryland library</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>meredith, thanks for sharing your thoughts and bringing the foolishness of NYT reporters to light.</p>
<p>once in a while these reporters write an excellent article, but that&#8217;s often the exception rather than the rule.</p>
<p>most often they&#8217;re clueless. completely, entirely clueless. </p>
<p>one of the most forceful ways of responding to them is to grab a screen shot of their foolishness and then explained in our own voices why they&#8217;re clueless.</p>
<p>i used camtasia studio (on windows) to respond to these two offending articles.</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/g9kql" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/g9kql</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.writersforliteracy.org/jaguarcarreview.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.writersforliteracy.org/jaguarcarreview.html</a></p>
<p>and then if you&#8217;d really like to have fun, create your own panel discussion on the topic. see</p>
<p><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=GHVbxsbECCM" rel="nofollow">http://youtube.com/watch?v=GHVbxsbECCM</a></p>
<p>   responding to their offending writing with more writing is battling them on their turf. we need to bring the battle to our turf &#8212; to the rich media web &#8212; which we own, and they visit. </p>
<p>   phil shapiro, public geek<br />
   takoma park maryland library</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am getting my MLIS right now and tons of my co-workers from my non-library job saw this NYT article and sent me the link, trying to be supportive... thanks for your insight and critique of it, as I completely agree with you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am getting my MLIS right now and tons of my co-workers from my non-library job saw this NYT article and sent me the link, trying to be supportive&#8230; thanks for your insight and critique of it, as I completely agree with you!</p>
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		<title>By: Meredith Farkas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meredith Farkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 00:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why can’t we be good hard working librarians and have fun?&quot;

Maria, I don&#039;t know where I or anyone else said that librarians can&#039;t have fun. Your cocktail parties do sound like fun and why would anyone have a problem with them? And I think you mistake not liking an article and not liking the promotion of stereotypes (whether negative or positive) to being pissed. I&#039;m not pissed. I don&#039;t care about the article. But it brought up for me some interesting thoughts about stereotypes... are they ok if they&#039;re positive? Is it ok to say that Jews are good with money? Or that blacks have better rhythm? Those are all positive things, right? And yet they are stereotypes and ones that are pretty darn un-PC for people to say (and frankly, are as inaccurate as the stereotype of the hipster librarian). Sure, some people of any group will fit a stereotype, but many don&#039;t. 

I don&#039;t really care about the article. I didn&#039;t plan on writing anything about it until I read a bunch of things where people were so excited that the NY Times called librarians hip. I just found that interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why can’t we be good hard working librarians and have fun?&#8221;</p>
<p>Maria, I don&#8217;t know where I or anyone else said that librarians can&#8217;t have fun. Your cocktail parties do sound like fun and why would anyone have a problem with them? And I think you mistake not liking an article and not liking the promotion of stereotypes (whether negative or positive) to being pissed. I&#8217;m not pissed. I don&#8217;t care about the article. But it brought up for me some interesting thoughts about stereotypes&#8230; are they ok if they&#8217;re positive? Is it ok to say that Jews are good with money? Or that blacks have better rhythm? Those are all positive things, right? And yet they are stereotypes and ones that are pretty darn un-PC for people to say (and frankly, are as inaccurate as the stereotype of the hipster librarian). Sure, some people of any group will fit a stereotype, but many don&#8217;t. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really care about the article. I didn&#8217;t plan on writing anything about it until I read a bunch of things where people were so excited that the NY Times called librarians hip. I just found that interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
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		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 00:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article seems as out of touch as the New York Times&#039; continued use of Mr. and Ms. in referring to people in print.  No surprise, really.  I used to work for a newspaper, and it&#039;s alarming how insulated journalists are despite the fact they work in the friggin&#039; news.

But who knows--maybe this article will inspire some hipster wannabes to start using their public libraries more often.  I&#039;m all for good press.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article seems as out of touch as the New York Times&#8217; continued use of Mr. and Ms. in referring to people in print.  No surprise, really.  I used to work for a newspaper, and it&#8217;s alarming how insulated journalists are despite the fact they work in the friggin&#8217; news.</p>
<p>But who knows&#8211;maybe this article will inspire some hipster wannabes to start using their public libraries more often.  I&#8217;m all for good press.</p>
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		<title>By: maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with Sophie and Brian. Why can&#039;t we be good hard working librarians and have fun?

The Desk Set consists of mostly people in their 30&#039;s and we have values. We give a lot back to the community and are &quot;doers.&quot; The article was in the STYLE section not in the city section. If you are pissed about the article, then I suggest you write the article you want to see. Kara wrote an article promoting librarians. Why cut her down?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with Sophie and Brian. Why can&#8217;t we be good hard working librarians and have fun?</p>
<p>The Desk Set consists of mostly people in their 30&#8217;s and we have values. We give a lot back to the community and are &#8220;doers.&#8221; The article was in the STYLE section not in the city section. If you are pissed about the article, then I suggest you write the article you want to see. Kara wrote an article promoting librarians. Why cut her down?</p>
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		<title>By: Meredith Farkas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meredith Farkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate stereotyping, just hate it. I know sometimes generalizations are necessary to understand populations, but the idea that someone from one group can&#039;t be studious or the idea that people from a particular profession must be a certain way really drives me up the wall. We&#039;re all much more complicated than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate stereotyping, just hate it. I know sometimes generalizations are necessary to understand populations, but the idea that someone from one group can&#8217;t be studious or the idea that people from a particular profession must be a certain way really drives me up the wall. We&#8217;re all much more complicated than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Sophie Brookover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sophie Brookover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Brian, believe you me, I&#039;ve endured worse assaults on my name than &quot;Sopie&quot;.  I take no offense! 

Also, and more on topic: I totally agree that being a &quot;hipster&quot;,  whatever that means, is no guarantee of getting along with other hipsters.  It&#039;s like saying all people who are Geminis or who have babies should get along.  Not going to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Brian, believe you me, I&#8217;ve endured worse assaults on my name than &#8220;Sopie&#8221;.  I take no offense! </p>
<p>Also, and more on topic: I totally agree that being a &#8220;hipster&#8221;,  whatever that means, is no guarantee of getting along with other hipsters.  It&#8217;s like saying all people who are Geminis or who have babies should get along.  Not going to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Haley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Haley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My apologies for my spelling.  I meant to say Sophie not Sopie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My apologies for my spelling.  I meant to say Sophie not Sopie.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Haley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Haley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Sopie pointed out in her last comment, I don&#039;t understand why people are up in arms over this article.  Yeah the title was really bad, and it did focus on the tattoo&#039;s and peircings a bit too much.  But come on folks, can&#039;t we laugh at ourselves!!!

Judging the &quot;hipster or guybrarian&quot; is just as bad as judging the old lady with the bun in her hair stereotype.  There are always going to be extremes in any profession.

Just becuase you are a &quot;hipster&quot; doesn&#039;t mean you get along with fellow &quot;hipsters&quot; at work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Sopie pointed out in her last comment, I don&#8217;t understand why people are up in arms over this article.  Yeah the title was really bad, and it did focus on the tattoo&#8217;s and peircings a bit too much.  But come on folks, can&#8217;t we laugh at ourselves!!!</p>
<p>Judging the &#8220;hipster or guybrarian&#8221; is just as bad as judging the old lady with the bun in her hair stereotype.  There are always going to be extremes in any profession.</p>
<p>Just becuase you are a &#8220;hipster&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean you get along with fellow &#8220;hipsters&#8221; at work.</p>
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		<title>By: Sophie Brookover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sophie Brookover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it possible, though, to drink Dewey Cocktails (an idea that reminds me of the very funny &quot;Guess the Book Title By Dewey Number&quot; competition in Allen Kurzweil&#039;s &quot;The Grand Complication&quot;), &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; be a conscientious student?  As someone who loves twee music, ponders tattoo ideas based on famous children&#039;s book illustrations, *and* who works damn hard at being a seriously good librarian, I just don&#039;t see why it can&#039;t be both-and, rather than either-or.  

The article presents an alternative (and in my view, more positive) stereotype to the one we&#039;ve been saddled with for generations.  It seems like we all agree that the truth is to be found somewhere in the middle of the stereotypes presented.  The more I think about it, the more mystified I am about the uproar this article has caused in the biblioblogosphere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it possible, though, to drink Dewey Cocktails (an idea that reminds me of the very funny &#8220;Guess the Book Title By Dewey Number&#8221; competition in Allen Kurzweil&#8217;s &#8220;The Grand Complication&#8221;), <i>and</i> be a conscientious student?  As someone who loves twee music, ponders tattoo ideas based on famous children&#8217;s book illustrations, *and* who works damn hard at being a seriously good librarian, I just don&#8217;t see why it can&#8217;t be both-and, rather than either-or.  </p>
<p>The article presents an alternative (and in my view, more positive) stereotype to the one we&#8217;ve been saddled with for generations.  It seems like we all agree that the truth is to be found somewhere in the middle of the stereotypes presented.  The more I think about it, the more mystified I am about the uproar this article has caused in the biblioblogosphere.</p>
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