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		<title>By: Meredith Farkas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meredith Farkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Amy! I really appreciate your comment; it&#039;s nice to know that what I wrote was helpful. I know it was not something I&#039;d ever thought about when I was looking for a job either and I don&#039;t think most people think about it until they start feeling ready to move up in their career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Amy! I really appreciate your comment; it&#8217;s nice to know that what I wrote was helpful. I know it was not something I&#8217;d ever thought about when I was looking for a job either and I don&#8217;t think most people think about it until they start feeling ready to move up in their career.</p>
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		<title>By: amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meredith - 
As someone who is currently 75% capable of meeting the information needs of the public (meaning: I&#039;ve finished three of my four semesters) I really want to thank you for blogging about your job.

I know a number of my colleagues have discussed your recent realizations about work, and it&#039;s something which never really occurred to us, but which is so very important. We&#039;re all just focused on &quot;getting ANY job&quot; that we are quick to take the immediate paying gig over something where we can move our way up.

It&#039;s also interesting because many people cite my generation as &quot;the kids who leave&quot; - who resign their positions and barely give two weeks notice, and who have no loyalty. I don&#039;t think this is necessarily true (just as not all Baby Boomers are into conspicuous consumption), and a number of my friends are looking to work for one organization for as long as possible.

So thanks a bajillion on behalf of LIS students.
(And thanks for always having something interesting to say!)

Cheers,
amy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meredith &#8211;<br />
As someone who is currently 75% capable of meeting the information needs of the public (meaning: I&#8217;ve finished three of my four semesters) I really want to thank you for blogging about your job.</p>
<p>I know a number of my colleagues have discussed your recent realizations about work, and it&#8217;s something which never really occurred to us, but which is so very important. We&#8217;re all just focused on &#8220;getting ANY job&#8221; that we are quick to take the immediate paying gig over something where we can move our way up.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also interesting because many people cite my generation as &#8220;the kids who leave&#8221; &#8211; who resign their positions and barely give two weeks notice, and who have no loyalty. I don&#8217;t think this is necessarily true (just as not all Baby Boomers are into conspicuous consumption), and a number of my friends are looking to work for one organization for as long as possible.</p>
<p>So thanks a bajillion on behalf of LIS students.<br />
(And thanks for always having something interesting to say!)</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
amy</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of things. As a long time reader of yours, I respect your forthrightness and ambition a great deal. Traditional libraries are not unique in being areas where you often have to move out to move up.  I currently work for a member association. I love my organization, but I&#039;ve been amazed at the turnover in this field. However, association staffs are often small operations and so -- you can often only move upward so far. People in this field are driven, so many are not content with a status quo. 

That is what makes them (and you) fabulous at their jobs -- however it also leads to the very conundrum you spoke of last week. It *is* frustrating and hard. I am dealing with a long commute b/c I own a house so I can relate to that limiting factor as well!
Thanks for being willing to share -- I just want to share that the traditional library world is not unique is this issue. I do wonder if some of the larger -- central public libraries and academic libraries at large universities have the same issues. Personally, I worked at a large U. library system and I don&#039;t think I want to do it again, but that is my preference :)

As far as sharing failures -- it can be politically fraught. I once had a poster accepted to a small library conference -- that would have showed the challenges in implementing a digital library and collaborative space. I was not overly negative -- but my employer ended up nixing the project b/c they felt it put them in a bad light to show they had challenges! People in the knowledge management area often have this very same issue -- people take these efforts quite personally, and so often employers will not permitting challenges to be shared. I currently work with/for regulatory professionals that work in pharmaceutical and other similar organizations. They have incredible difficulties sharing successful strategies -- much less failures! They often only feel able to share in face to face conversations, where nothing is in writing.
This is a widespread cultural issue. I think it is changing at the grassroots level, in that more people *want* to share -- it may take time before they feel *able* to share.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of things. As a long time reader of yours, I respect your forthrightness and ambition a great deal. Traditional libraries are not unique in being areas where you often have to move out to move up.  I currently work for a member association. I love my organization, but I&#8217;ve been amazed at the turnover in this field. However, association staffs are often small operations and so &#8212; you can often only move upward so far. People in this field are driven, so many are not content with a status quo. </p>
<p>That is what makes them (and you) fabulous at their jobs &#8212; however it also leads to the very conundrum you spoke of last week. It *is* frustrating and hard. I am dealing with a long commute b/c I own a house so I can relate to that limiting factor as well!<br />
Thanks for being willing to share &#8212; I just want to share that the traditional library world is not unique is this issue. I do wonder if some of the larger &#8212; central public libraries and academic libraries at large universities have the same issues. Personally, I worked at a large U. library system and I don&#8217;t think I want to do it again, but that is my preference <img src='http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As far as sharing failures &#8212; it can be politically fraught. I once had a poster accepted to a small library conference &#8212; that would have showed the challenges in implementing a digital library and collaborative space. I was not overly negative &#8212; but my employer ended up nixing the project b/c they felt it put them in a bad light to show they had challenges! People in the knowledge management area often have this very same issue &#8212; people take these efforts quite personally, and so often employers will not permitting challenges to be shared. I currently work with/for regulatory professionals that work in pharmaceutical and other similar organizations. They have incredible difficulties sharing successful strategies &#8212; much less failures! They often only feel able to share in face to face conversations, where nothing is in writing.<br />
This is a widespread cultural issue. I think it is changing at the grassroots level, in that more people *want* to share &#8212; it may take time before they feel *able* to share.</p>
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		<title>By: walt crawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>walt crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I certainly agree that we can learn more from &quot;failure stories&quot; than success stories, at least in some cases--and I&#039;ve urged people to tell their unsuccess stories on the Library Success wiki.

Does it happen much? No. Will it? Probably not. I certainly understand why people don&#039;t want to talk about failures, even when they&#039;re really &quot;failures&quot;--false starts and directions that had to be changed after recognizing a problem. (Would I be more likely than others to discuss failures? Probably not.)

It&#039;s even hard to write about negative successes: That is, cases where you succeed by not doing the wrong thing. I&#039;ve had a few of those in the past, and while I&#039;m proud of them, it&#039;s a perverse pride that&#039;s truly hard to share...particularly when those advocating for an unworkable solution usually don&#039;t, in their heart of hearts, believe it was unworkable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly agree that we can learn more from &#8220;failure stories&#8221; than success stories, at least in some cases&#8211;and I&#8217;ve urged people to tell their unsuccess stories on the Library Success wiki.</p>
<p>Does it happen much? No. Will it? Probably not. I certainly understand why people don&#8217;t want to talk about failures, even when they&#8217;re really &#8220;failures&#8221;&#8211;false starts and directions that had to be changed after recognizing a problem. (Would I be more likely than others to discuss failures? Probably not.)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s even hard to write about negative successes: That is, cases where you succeed by not doing the wrong thing. I&#8217;ve had a few of those in the past, and while I&#8217;m proud of them, it&#8217;s a perverse pride that&#8217;s truly hard to share&#8230;particularly when those advocating for an unworkable solution usually don&#8217;t, in their heart of hearts, believe it was unworkable.</p>
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