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		<title>By: davidshumaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidshumaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 16:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like to go back to the original source when trying to make sense of trends and buzzwords like &quot;2.0&quot;. In this case I&#039;m thinking of Tim O&#039;Reilly&#039;s &quot;What is Web 2.0&quot; at http://www.oreillynet.com/lpt/a/6228 . For me, a one of the key passages is this: &quot;One of the key lessons of the Web 2.0 era is this: Users add value. But only a small percentage of users will go to the trouble of adding value ... via explicit means. Therefore, Web 2.0 companies set inclusive defaults for aggregating user data and building value as a side-effect of ordinary use of the application.&quot;

The point is reinforced in a list of criteria for 2.0 companies at the end of the article: &quot;Trusting users as co-developers / Harnessing collective intelligence / Leveraging the long tail through customer self-service...&quot;

Nothing in there about assessment per se, though assessment is certainly important. Certainly some technology dependencies are included, but it&#039;s not just about technology.

I think that if librarians view their users as needy objects of service, and not as &quot;co-developers&quot; who can add value (via explicit or implicit means), we aren&#039;t getting the point of &quot;2.0&quot;.

p.s. I love Dale&#039;s post. This was indeed 2.0 before there was 2.0 -- 2.0 without the technology. It&#039;s just that the technology opens up so many new opportunities!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to go back to the original source when trying to make sense of trends and buzzwords like &#8220;2.0&#8243;. In this case I&#8217;m thinking of Tim O&#8217;Reilly&#8217;s &#8220;What is Web 2.0&#8243; at <a href="http://www.oreillynet.com/lpt/a/6228" rel="nofollow">http://www.oreillynet.com/lpt/a/6228</a> . For me, a one of the key passages is this: &#8220;One of the key lessons of the Web 2.0 era is this: Users add value. But only a small percentage of users will go to the trouble of adding value &#8230; via explicit means. Therefore, Web 2.0 companies set inclusive defaults for aggregating user data and building value as a side-effect of ordinary use of the application.&#8221;</p>
<p>The point is reinforced in a list of criteria for 2.0 companies at the end of the article: &#8220;Trusting users as co-developers / Harnessing collective intelligence / Leveraging the long tail through customer self-service&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Nothing in there about assessment per se, though assessment is certainly important. Certainly some technology dependencies are included, but it&#8217;s not just about technology.</p>
<p>I think that if librarians view their users as needy objects of service, and not as &#8220;co-developers&#8221; who can add value (via explicit or implicit means), we aren&#8217;t getting the point of &#8220;2.0&#8243;.</p>
<p>p.s. I love Dale&#8217;s post. This was indeed 2.0 before there was 2.0 &#8212; 2.0 without the technology. It&#8217;s just that the technology opens up so many new opportunities!</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Show me a library catalog that is usable both unto itself and as an integral part of the library website, and I&#039;ll agree that there is a library that&#039;s ready to move into other, newer areas of technology to serve users.

Until more than 5% of libraries get even the most basic Library 1.0 apps right, those pushing the 2.0 agenda should be ashamed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Show me a library catalog that is usable both unto itself and as an integral part of the library website, and I&#8217;ll agree that there is a library that&#8217;s ready to move into other, newer areas of technology to serve users.</p>
<p>Until more than 5% of libraries get even the most basic Library 1.0 apps right, those pushing the 2.0 agenda should be ashamed.</p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the timely article.  Our Electronic Resources Group, yes we committe everything, is in the process of reviewing our direction with the whole 2.0 thing.  I too would like to see assessment of services become a regular part of our conversations with our community.  Is it time to bring back the old suggestion box by the door?

We still have books on the shelves with reviews pasted in them, mostly pre-WW2 and still read by that generation.  There&#039;s alot to be said for keeping depth in a collection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the timely article.  Our Electronic Resources Group, yes we committe everything, is in the process of reviewing our direction with the whole 2.0 thing.  I too would like to see assessment of services become a regular part of our conversations with our community.  Is it time to bring back the old suggestion box by the door?</p>
<p>We still have books on the shelves with reviews pasted in them, mostly pre-WW2 and still read by that generation.  There&#8217;s alot to be said for keeping depth in a collection.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 11:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this; it was very interesting and thought provoking. There was a lot that I wanted to say, both to agree and disagree, so rather than write an essay here, it&#039;s over at http://tinyurl.com/25ccxk if you&#039;d care to take a look. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this; it was very interesting and thought provoking. There was a lot that I wanted to say, both to agree and disagree, so rather than write an essay here, it&#8217;s over at <a href="http://tinyurl.com/25ccxk" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/25ccxk</a> if you&#8217;d care to take a look. <img src='http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Meredith Farkas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meredith Farkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dale, I LOVE those examples! Who needs user tagging and reviews in the catalog when you can just put them in the book! I would bet that people would be more likely to write it on extra pages in the book than in the catalog just because the book is right in front of them. Those are such great examples of doing things a little bit differently to serve the unique needs of your service population. Excellent! Thank you so much for sharing. I&#039;ve always known that this stuff had been happening for a long time and wasn&#039;t invented by my generation of librarians. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dale, I LOVE those examples! Who needs user tagging and reviews in the catalog when you can just put them in the book! I would bet that people would be more likely to write it on extra pages in the book than in the catalog just because the book is right in front of them. Those are such great examples of doing things a little bit differently to serve the unique needs of your service population. Excellent! Thank you so much for sharing. I&#8217;ve always known that this stuff had been happening for a long time and wasn&#8217;t invented by my generation of librarians. <img src='http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Library 2.0 name, in retrospect, has been helpful in getting people to talk about looking at public (mostly) library service in a new way.  Or, more precisely, what was a new way for many libraries and librarians.

I personally think &quot;customer-focused library&quot; is a better way to describe this, but then we would have been lost before we even agreed on the word &quot;customer&quot;.

At a library in which I worked in the early 1980s, the director (in her 70s at that time) had for years assessed the community, formally and informally.  We bought popular materials.  We assigned our own call numbers, not blindly using those assigned by another library (including, to respond to local demand, a system of classifying classic fiction in the literature section, along with criticism of the author and biographies of the author--with one copy in fiction).  Imagine--2 copies of a book with 2 different call numbers to make things easier for customers!  We also clipped reviews and glued them in books (which customers loved) and encouraged customers to write brief reviews on a page tipped into the book.  None of that involves technology, but it all encourages a feeling of community at the library and responded to real need and interest of the library users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Library 2.0 name, in retrospect, has been helpful in getting people to talk about looking at public (mostly) library service in a new way.  Or, more precisely, what was a new way for many libraries and librarians.</p>
<p>I personally think &#8220;customer-focused library&#8221; is a better way to describe this, but then we would have been lost before we even agreed on the word &#8220;customer&#8221;.</p>
<p>At a library in which I worked in the early 1980s, the director (in her 70s at that time) had for years assessed the community, formally and informally.  We bought popular materials.  We assigned our own call numbers, not blindly using those assigned by another library (including, to respond to local demand, a system of classifying classic fiction in the literature section, along with criticism of the author and biographies of the author&#8211;with one copy in fiction).  Imagine&#8211;2 copies of a book with 2 different call numbers to make things easier for customers!  We also clipped reviews and glued them in books (which customers loved) and encouraged customers to write brief reviews on a page tipped into the book.  None of that involves technology, but it all encourages a feeling of community at the library and responded to real need and interest of the library users.</p>
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		<title>By: Meredith Farkas</title>
		<link>http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/2008/01/24/the-essence-of-library-20/comment-page-1/#comment-183379</link>
		<dc:creator>Meredith Farkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dahlia, I think a lot of librarians have felt pressured to implement these tools because they didn&#039;t want their library to be seen as being behind. And I think a lot of the reason for that was the rhetoric they were hearing from bloggers, writers, speakers, etc. However, I agree with you that people are responsible for their own bad choices and that social tools have amazing potential when used to fill a real need. I&#039;ve certainly seen that.

BTW, on a totally unrelated topic, Dahlia is one of my very favorite names. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dahlia, I think a lot of librarians have felt pressured to implement these tools because they didn&#8217;t want their library to be seen as being behind. And I think a lot of the reason for that was the rhetoric they were hearing from bloggers, writers, speakers, etc. However, I agree with you that people are responsible for their own bad choices and that social tools have amazing potential when used to fill a real need. I&#8217;ve certainly seen that.</p>
<p>BTW, on a totally unrelated topic, Dahlia is one of my very favorite names. <img src='http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Meredith Farkas</title>
		<link>http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/2008/01/24/the-essence-of-library-20/comment-page-1/#comment-183378</link>
		<dc:creator>Meredith Farkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, John. While that focus on tools has always been there, I really think we need to focus more on what libraries as organizations need to look like in order to face the challenges of the present and future. Most libraries as they are currently structured are not up to it, as I showed in the example of the administrators who wanted their staff to do &quot;2.0&quot; tech stuff without teaching them anything or giving them extra time or hiring staff. Sigh... 

For me, the whole Library 2.0 movement has really led me to think a lot about how libraries need to be structured for the future and what attitudes need to change. We can&#039;t go on staffing libraries the same way we did before and doing planning the way we did. 

While there&#039;s a lot of change work ahead for all of us, I&#039;m optimistic and excited about the future of libraries. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, John. While that focus on tools has always been there, I really think we need to focus more on what libraries as organizations need to look like in order to face the challenges of the present and future. Most libraries as they are currently structured are not up to it, as I showed in the example of the administrators who wanted their staff to do &#8220;2.0&#8243; tech stuff without teaching them anything or giving them extra time or hiring staff. Sigh&#8230; </p>
<p>For me, the whole Library 2.0 movement has really led me to think a lot about how libraries need to be structured for the future and what attitudes need to change. We can&#8217;t go on staffing libraries the same way we did before and doing planning the way we did. </p>
<p>While there&#8217;s a lot of change work ahead for all of us, I&#8217;m optimistic and excited about the future of libraries. <img src='http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dahlia Ebbets</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dahlia Ebbets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is not Web 2.0..I mean Library 2.0.  It&#039;s all the jumper on-ers that are looking for a simple fix or a quick way to impress that have tried to make it something more than it is.  

There has always been the rush to (or push by administrations) to do something just because it&#039;s new.  Just look to the noise surrounding Information Commons (to pick just one example) awhile back.

The bottom line is any &quot;not-so-well-thought-out ... implementations&quot; that doesn&#039;t take the needs of the users into consideration or provide a mechanism for evaluation reflects on the implementors not the tool.  

Tools have functions and when used appropriately ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is not Web 2.0..I mean Library 2.0.  It&#8217;s all the jumper on-ers that are looking for a simple fix or a quick way to impress that have tried to make it something more than it is.  </p>
<p>There has always been the rush to (or push by administrations) to do something just because it&#8217;s new.  Just look to the noise surrounding Information Commons (to pick just one example) awhile back.</p>
<p>The bottom line is any &#8220;not-so-well-thought-out &#8230; implementations&#8221; that doesn&#8217;t take the needs of the users into consideration or provide a mechanism for evaluation reflects on the implementors not the tool.  </p>
<p>Tools have functions and when used appropriately &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meredith, 

Very nice post.  I think much of the confusion centers around peoples interpretation of the term &quot;Library 2.0&quot; as a sequel to, or the next version of library service.  In an ideal world, we might be able to set it aside and collectively decide that we will now refer to this discussion as &quot;foo&quot;, because the label &quot;2.0&quot; itself may, indeed, have fallen from grace.  I think people really want to grok Library 2.0 within a Platonistic context, when it&#039;s really just a way to earmark an ongoing discussion about the future of library service.  Insomuch as the L2 discussion is real and the things that have come out of it are concrete manifestations of those discussions, yes, Library 2.0 is an empowered term.  So I think the debate over the term itself is fruitless--it&#039;s sort of like debating whether a foot-ladder becomes a stool if you sit on it.  I care way more about what the term represents than the term itself but it&#039;s what we&#039;ve been using, so I&#039;ll continue to use it until the discussion evolves beyond it.  Which it is sure to do.

I wrote my post because I was seeing that discussion devolve and become very tool-centric as you point out.  I was noticing that too much of what we were hearing neglected the logistics of fundamental library service--you know, books and knowledge, and how to actually get real ideas from one head to another (That&#039;s what we do, right?  I mean, the physical stuff like books and computers are just an interim step).  I just don&#039;t think we need any more conceptual musings over the importance of Second Life, MySpace, and Facebook in the cosmic scheme of things.  That&#039;s not to say that there isn&#039;t tremendous value in Web 2.0.  No--in fact, Web 2.0 marks a historical moment in human development.  It has changed how we understand and relate to information profoundly and permanently while managing to make the consumption of it an experience that is sharply human.  We can&#039;t brute-force our way into believing that libraries will remain unaffected by that.  Rather, it presents us with a fresh new set of responsibilities that nobody else is going to fulfill.  That should be the impetus for us to reevaluate how we do business in what is certain to be a dramatically different information landscape.  So I&#039;m saying that we start from the ground up and organize our libraries so that we can practically address the needs of the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meredith, </p>
<p>Very nice post.  I think much of the confusion centers around peoples interpretation of the term &#8220;Library 2.0&#8243; as a sequel to, or the next version of library service.  In an ideal world, we might be able to set it aside and collectively decide that we will now refer to this discussion as &#8220;foo&#8221;, because the label &#8220;2.0&#8243; itself may, indeed, have fallen from grace.  I think people really want to grok Library 2.0 within a Platonistic context, when it&#8217;s really just a way to earmark an ongoing discussion about the future of library service.  Insomuch as the L2 discussion is real and the things that have come out of it are concrete manifestations of those discussions, yes, Library 2.0 is an empowered term.  So I think the debate over the term itself is fruitless&#8211;it&#8217;s sort of like debating whether a foot-ladder becomes a stool if you sit on it.  I care way more about what the term represents than the term itself but it&#8217;s what we&#8217;ve been using, so I&#8217;ll continue to use it until the discussion evolves beyond it.  Which it is sure to do.</p>
<p>I wrote my post because I was seeing that discussion devolve and become very tool-centric as you point out.  I was noticing that too much of what we were hearing neglected the logistics of fundamental library service&#8211;you know, books and knowledge, and how to actually get real ideas from one head to another (That&#8217;s what we do, right?  I mean, the physical stuff like books and computers are just an interim step).  I just don&#8217;t think we need any more conceptual musings over the importance of Second Life, MySpace, and Facebook in the cosmic scheme of things.  That&#8217;s not to say that there isn&#8217;t tremendous value in Web 2.0.  No&#8211;in fact, Web 2.0 marks a historical moment in human development.  It has changed how we understand and relate to information profoundly and permanently while managing to make the consumption of it an experience that is sharply human.  We can&#8217;t brute-force our way into believing that libraries will remain unaffected by that.  Rather, it presents us with a fresh new set of responsibilities that nobody else is going to fulfill.  That should be the impetus for us to reevaluate how we do business in what is certain to be a dramatically different information landscape.  So I&#8217;m saying that we start from the ground up and organize our libraries so that we can practically address the needs of the future.</p>
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