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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meredith, 
Really glad that you shared this.  I&#039;m working on a big project of reexamining ILL and we have Regional Academic Center students at different locations and we do ILL for them.  We get them articles quickly, but books...not so good.  So this was just the type of idea I was looking for.
Thanks for sharing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meredith,<br />
Really glad that you shared this.  I&#8217;m working on a big project of reexamining ILL and we have Regional Academic Center students at different locations and we do ILL for them.  We get them articles quickly, but books&#8230;not so good.  So this was just the type of idea I was looking for.<br />
Thanks for sharing!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meredith, 

I think that there is a key issue here aside from the fact you have fellow staff members willing to look into new procedures. Unlike many 2.0 initiatives you read about on the blogs, you had a concrete problem with current library users. 

This isn&#039;t the &quot;we need to be on Facebook/Meebo/Flickr/Wiki because studies show we could get these new users...&quot; sort of approach that often meets with push-back. This was &quot;Our users have specifically asked for X which we currently cannot provide...let&#039;s try to provide X by doing Y.&quot;

The 2.0 initiatives I&#039;ve undertaken at my job that have met with the most support are the ones that I can relate to a current problem, as opposed to the projects that *I* know will improve a services that no one&#039;s currently complaining about.

I think you should also factor in that your colleagues most likely have seen you in action and are willing to listen! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meredith, </p>
<p>I think that there is a key issue here aside from the fact you have fellow staff members willing to look into new procedures. Unlike many 2.0 initiatives you read about on the blogs, you had a concrete problem with current library users. </p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t the &#8220;we need to be on Facebook/Meebo/Flickr/Wiki because studies show we could get these new users&#8230;&#8221; sort of approach that often meets with push-back. This was &#8220;Our users have specifically asked for X which we currently cannot provide&#8230;let&#8217;s try to provide X by doing Y.&#8221;</p>
<p>The 2.0 initiatives I&#8217;ve undertaken at my job that have met with the most support are the ones that I can relate to a current problem, as opposed to the projects that *I* know will improve a services that no one&#8217;s currently complaining about.</p>
<p>I think you should also factor in that your colleagues most likely have seen you in action and are willing to listen! <img src='http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dana Longley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana Longley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meredith,

I&#039;m not directly involved in the finances for this, but I believe we pay for the Amazon books (which is a small percentage of books our users request), for shipping and for student interns on their end to process requests. However, there is no direct cost to us to process, store or manage these materials in the long term or for the materials already in their collection so we view it so far as a worthwhile project (it&#039;s still a pilot project afterall). Whether this model is sustainable in the long run has yet to be determined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meredith,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not directly involved in the finances for this, but I believe we pay for the Amazon books (which is a small percentage of books our users request), for shipping and for student interns on their end to process requests. However, there is no direct cost to us to process, store or manage these materials in the long term or for the materials already in their collection so we view it so far as a worthwhile project (it&#8217;s still a pilot project afterall). Whether this model is sustainable in the long run has yet to be determined.</p>
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		<title>By: Meredith Farkas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meredith Farkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, the students have always had to pay return postage here when they get books mailed to them. We normally send a return address label with the package, but I just created a PDF that they can print, cut out, and stick on the package. I&#039;m not sure when or why that decision was made; definitely before my time here. I&#039;ve never heard a student complain about it, which is interesting to me, and the number of students requesting books just keeps going up, so I guess they don&#039;t really see it as an issue. That &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; interesting that they don&#039;t though. They do complain &lt;em&gt;a lot&lt;/em&gt; about the time it takes to get stuff though.

Dana, that&#039;s a very interesting model for providing services. Do you have to pay the entire cost for the Amazon books? While it has been expensive for us to buy all these books for our distance learners, it&#039;s also benefited our collection greatly in some areas. Seems like if the other University is benefiting in some way, you shouldn&#039;t have to foot the entire bill. But I totally understand your position and it&#039;s a great, user-centered service model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, the students have always had to pay return postage here when they get books mailed to them. We normally send a return address label with the package, but I just created a PDF that they can print, cut out, and stick on the package. I&#8217;m not sure when or why that decision was made; definitely before my time here. I&#8217;ve never heard a student complain about it, which is interesting to me, and the number of students requesting books just keeps going up, so I guess they don&#8217;t really see it as an issue. That <em>is</em> interesting that they don&#8217;t though. They do complain <em>a lot</em> about the time it takes to get stuff though.</p>
<p>Dana, that&#8217;s a very interesting model for providing services. Do you have to pay the entire cost for the Amazon books? While it has been expensive for us to buy all these books for our distance learners, it&#8217;s also benefited our collection greatly in some areas. Seems like if the other University is benefiting in some way, you shouldn&#8217;t have to foot the entire bill. But I totally understand your position and it&#8217;s a great, user-centered service model.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Longley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana Longley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meredith,

Thanks for sharing - especially the parts about strategies to get stakeholders on board, which I&#039;ve found is often the biggest obstacle to implementing change like this.

Being a distance learning college with no physical library (we have a large online collection but very small library staff) within a large State University system, we are currently piloting a similar project - partnering with one of the larger universities in the state: we pay them for ILL access to their collections. 

In the case of books that our partner University doesn&#039;t have, they have the option, if it meets a need in their own collection, to purchase it via Amazon and that book then gets delivered directly to our student/faculty at their home address. The University follows up by sending a postage paid return envelope so the book will be returned to them for cataloging into their collection.

It sounds weird, because we are basically paying another college to help build their own collection - but it meets a pressing need on our end. The response so far has been overwhelmingly positive and the costs in funds and time for us manageable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meredith,</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing &#8211; especially the parts about strategies to get stakeholders on board, which I&#8217;ve found is often the biggest obstacle to implementing change like this.</p>
<p>Being a distance learning college with no physical library (we have a large online collection but very small library staff) within a large State University system, we are currently piloting a similar project &#8211; partnering with one of the larger universities in the state: we pay them for ILL access to their collections. </p>
<p>In the case of books that our partner University doesn&#8217;t have, they have the option, if it meets a need in their own collection, to purchase it via Amazon and that book then gets delivered directly to our student/faculty at their home address. The University follows up by sending a postage paid return envelope so the book will be returned to them for cataloging into their collection.</p>
<p>It sounds weird, because we are basically paying another college to help build their own collection &#8211; but it meets a pressing need on our end. The response so far has been overwhelmingly positive and the costs in funds and time for us manageable.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Jennings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Jennings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This idea is so simple I&#039;m surprised it isn&#039;t more common.  I think it&#039;s great that your colleagues are so supportive of trying new things like this.  I&#039;m curious as to how the students will get the books back to your library.  Will they have to pay shipping costs out of their own pocket?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This idea is so simple I&#8217;m surprised it isn&#8217;t more common.  I think it&#8217;s great that your colleagues are so supportive of trying new things like this.  I&#8217;m curious as to how the students will get the books back to your library.  Will they have to pay shipping costs out of their own pocket?</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m envious. We proposed this idea for our ILL department and they were good to go. I pointed out that, if someone kept the book and we couldn&#039;t get it back, well at least we would have saved the cost of cataloging. Unfortunately our financial officer said that we had to inventory any books we buy. It has something to do with audits. 

While we are pretty good about using the phrase &#039;just get the lady what she wants&#039; as our customer service mantra, this is one we couldn&#039;t push through. Guess we&#039;re too big for that. Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m envious. We proposed this idea for our ILL department and they were good to go. I pointed out that, if someone kept the book and we couldn&#8217;t get it back, well at least we would have saved the cost of cataloging. Unfortunately our financial officer said that we had to inventory any books we buy. It has something to do with audits. </p>
<p>While we are pretty good about using the phrase &#8216;just get the lady what she wants&#8217; as our customer service mantra, this is one we couldn&#8217;t push through. Guess we&#8217;re too big for that. Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Meredith Farkas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meredith Farkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joan, that&#039;s a really neat idea. Not a great fit for us here, but I love the idea of partnering with local businesses whenever possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joan, that&#8217;s a really neat idea. Not a great fit for us here, but I love the idea of partnering with local businesses whenever possible.</p>
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		<title>By: joan</title>
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		<dc:creator>joan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great idea. It&#039;d be even better, I think, if you ordered the books through your local independent bookstore. If they don&#039;t have it, then through a larger regional indy bookstore. They might even be willing to set up some kind of customized invoicing for Acquisitions and enclose a mailer for the students to return the books back to the library.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great idea. It&#8217;d be even better, I think, if you ordered the books through your local independent bookstore. If they don&#8217;t have it, then through a larger regional indy bookstore. They might even be willing to set up some kind of customized invoicing for Acquisitions and enclose a mailer for the students to return the books back to the library.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We eliminated charges for placing holds - it used to be $1 per title.  The holds have gone through the roof and the patrons couldn&#039;t be happier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We eliminated charges for placing holds &#8211; it used to be $1 per title.  The holds have gone through the roof and the patrons couldn&#8217;t be happier.</p>
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