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		<title>By: Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a similar conversation about the status of certain library workers just the other day:

http://www.bitstrips.com//read.php?comic_id=17789</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a similar conversation about the status of certain library workers just the other day:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bitstrips.com//read.php?comic_id=17789" rel="nofollow">http://www.bitstrips.com//read.php?comic_id=17789</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It takes me a while - but I&#039;m learning Meredith. One of the positive aspects of this episode (and my role in it) is that I&#039;ve been able to meet quite a few of you whose blogs I&#039;ve been reading for years!

Quite an impressive group. Dean</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It takes me a while &#8211; but I&#8217;m learning Meredith. One of the positive aspects of this episode (and my role in it) is that I&#8217;ve been able to meet quite a few of you whose blogs I&#8217;ve been reading for years!</p>
<p>Quite an impressive group. Dean</p>
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		<title>By: Meredith Farkas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meredith Farkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great idea, Dean. I think if you see a certain group not winning a lot of M&amp;S awards, perhaps it&#039;s because they are not being nominated. Gotta be &quot;in it to win it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea, Dean. I think if you see a certain group not winning a lot of M&#038;S awards, perhaps it&#8217;s because they are not being nominated. Gotta be &#8220;in it to win it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 04:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I could be seen to be the sour-graper, I thought I would contact Amy and I had a wonderful exchange with her (using Google talk - great tool, btw). See my &lt;a href=&quot;http://weblogs.elearning.ubc.ca/googlescholar/archives/045580.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;post&lt;/a&gt;. 

There are many aspects to this story that I think I would like to write about for a future Library Journal. The responsible use of social software, for one, and the limits of free speech. Next year, I&#039;ll be sure to be less complacent and nominate several young movers and shakers too. (I don&#039;t know why I missed that.) Oh, and a few more health librarians such as Michelle Kraft and Mark Rabnett.
Do you think they would be interested in that?

Dean</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I could be seen to be the sour-graper, I thought I would contact Amy and I had a wonderful exchange with her (using Google talk &#8211; great tool, btw). See my <a href="http://weblogs.elearning.ubc.ca/googlescholar/archives/045580.html" rel="nofollow">post</a>. </p>
<p>There are many aspects to this story that I think I would like to write about for a future Library Journal. The responsible use of social software, for one, and the limits of free speech. Next year, I&#8217;ll be sure to be less complacent and nominate several young movers and shakers too. (I don&#8217;t know why I missed that.) Oh, and a few more health librarians such as Michelle Kraft and Mark Rabnett.<br />
Do you think they would be interested in that?</p>
<p>Dean</p>
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		<title>By: Meredith Farkas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meredith Farkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying outrageous things is a classic symptom of being a Mover and Shaker, Amy. :) 

Don&#039;t let the sour grapers get to ya!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying outrageous things is a classic symptom of being a Mover and Shaker, Amy. <img src='http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t let the sour grapers get to ya!</p>
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		<title>By: amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well i&#039;m Canadian
- so i guess that&#039;s a plus

but i don&#039;t have my MLIS yet (May &#039;08)
- so i shouldn&#039;t be included in the M&amp;S list.

hmmmm.

in such an interdisciplinary field, deeming only those with alphabet soup after their name as worthy to &quot;move&quot; and &quot;shake&quot; would be shooting ourselves in the foot. 

and yes, i appreciate i don&#039;t know the finer points of Canadian librarianship, and that my lack of experience calls my credibility into question.

but i still believe that excluding those without an MLIS because they aren&#039;t &quot;librarians&quot; is ridiculous and backward-thinking. 

then again, i frequently say outrageous things.


amy &quot;shakes when she moves&quot; buckland</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well i&#8217;m Canadian<br />
- so i guess that&#8217;s a plus</p>
<p>but i don&#8217;t have my MLIS yet (May &#8217;08)<br />
- so i shouldn&#8217;t be included in the M&amp;S list.</p>
<p>hmmmm.</p>
<p>in such an interdisciplinary field, deeming only those with alphabet soup after their name as worthy to &#8220;move&#8221; and &#8220;shake&#8221; would be shooting ourselves in the foot. </p>
<p>and yes, i appreciate i don&#8217;t know the finer points of Canadian librarianship, and that my lack of experience calls my credibility into question.</p>
<p>but i still believe that excluding those without an MLIS because they aren&#8217;t &#8220;librarians&#8221; is ridiculous and backward-thinking. </p>
<p>then again, i frequently say outrageous things.</p>
<p>amy &#8220;shakes when she moves&#8221; buckland</p>
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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Rothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George Easton, a friend and proxy of Dean Giustini&#039;s, &lt;a href=&quot;http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/index.php/2008/03/18/theyre-moving-theyre-shaking/#comment-184410&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;takes a swipe at me above&lt;/a&gt; and, like Giustini, doesn&#039;t bother to provide support for his criticism- so I thought I&#039;d do it for him.

Easton says that I &quot;can parse people’s statements to the point that it’s embarrassing&quot; and suggests that others see what I &quot;said about Susanna Fox recently.&quot;

Dean&#039;s post and every &quot;non-librarian&quot; snark he&#039;s made in the last several weeks (all of which were removed from his site after Meredith put up this post) were inspired (by Dean&#039;s own admission) by &lt;a href=&quot;http://davidrothman.net/2008/01/08/disliking-web-20-and-hating-web-30/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my criticism&lt;/a&gt; of an editorial he wrote.  Perhaps this is where Easton sees something embarassing.

I &lt;a href=&quot;http://davidrothman.net/2008/03/11/kvetching-about-susannah-fox-and-health-20/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wrote about Susannah Fox&lt;/a&gt; that she was wrong to criticize the AMA for suggesting that doctors are a more reliable source of health information than chat rooms (because Doctors ARE a more reliable source of healthcare information than chat rooms) and that her comparison of the RIAA and the AMA was a very poor, misleading analogy.  

I implore George Easton to attempt to support his own assertions- because I&#039;m tired of people like he and Giustini making unsupported ad hominem attacks instead of ever debating the merits of an argument.

I&#039;m very grateful to Meredith for this post and to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lisjobs.com/blog/?p=278#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rachel for hers&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George Easton, a friend and proxy of Dean Giustini&#8217;s, <a href="http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/index.php/2008/03/18/theyre-moving-theyre-shaking/#comment-184410" rel="nofollow">takes a swipe at me above</a> and, like Giustini, doesn&#8217;t bother to provide support for his criticism- so I thought I&#8217;d do it for him.</p>
<p>Easton says that I &#8220;can parse people’s statements to the point that it’s embarrassing&#8221; and suggests that others see what I &#8220;said about Susanna Fox recently.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dean&#8217;s post and every &#8220;non-librarian&#8221; snark he&#8217;s made in the last several weeks (all of which were removed from his site after Meredith put up this post) were inspired (by Dean&#8217;s own admission) by <a href="http://davidrothman.net/2008/01/08/disliking-web-20-and-hating-web-30/" rel="nofollow">my criticism</a> of an editorial he wrote.  Perhaps this is where Easton sees something embarassing.</p>
<p>I <a href="http://davidrothman.net/2008/03/11/kvetching-about-susannah-fox-and-health-20/" rel="nofollow">wrote about Susannah Fox</a> that she was wrong to criticize the AMA for suggesting that doctors are a more reliable source of health information than chat rooms (because Doctors ARE a more reliable source of healthcare information than chat rooms) and that her comparison of the RIAA and the AMA was a very poor, misleading analogy.  </p>
<p>I implore George Easton to attempt to support his own assertions- because I&#8217;m tired of people like he and Giustini making unsupported ad hominem attacks instead of ever debating the merits of an argument.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very grateful to Meredith for this post and to <a href="http://www.lisjobs.com/blog/?p=278#comments" rel="nofollow">Rachel for hers</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: sarah washburn</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarah washburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what a great post!

especially the nice mention about non-MLSs... dividing people into this group and that, while ignoring skill and value is such a waste of energy. 

i heart librarians, whether they move, shake, or stay still! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what a great post!</p>
<p>especially the nice mention about non-MLSs&#8230; dividing people into this group and that, while ignoring skill and value is such a waste of energy. </p>
<p>i heart librarians, whether they move, shake, or stay still! <img src='http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I&#039;m not mistaken there were a couple non-MLSs in the bunch, but I&#039;m *really* hoping I was the &quot;non-librarian&quot; in question! 

Kidding aside, I think the basic point is that while it&#039;s an honor to get it, not getting it is meaningless. It&#039;s not a careful, rational, fair process designed to get at some M&amp;S quintessence--which would be impossible anyway--but a fun way to recognize some people, give the nod to some trends and produce an article that isn&#039;t boring.

One of the Canadians points was that there weren&#039;t enough such &quot;prizes&quot; to go around. Well, how hard is *that* to change? Library Journal made it up, after all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I&#8217;m not mistaken there were a couple non-MLSs in the bunch, but I&#8217;m *really* hoping I was the &#8220;non-librarian&#8221; in question! </p>
<p>Kidding aside, I think the basic point is that while it&#8217;s an honor to get it, not getting it is meaningless. It&#8217;s not a careful, rational, fair process designed to get at some M&amp;S quintessence&#8211;which would be impossible anyway&#8211;but a fun way to recognize some people, give the nod to some trends and produce an article that isn&#8217;t boring.</p>
<p>One of the Canadians points was that there weren&#8217;t enough such &#8220;prizes&#8221; to go around. Well, how hard is *that* to change? Library Journal made it up, after all!</p>
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		<title>By: char booth</title>
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		<dc:creator>char booth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Meredith, and you&#039;re dead-on about Chad - my neck hurts from looking up to the guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Meredith, and you&#8217;re dead-on about Chad &#8211; my neck hurts from looking up to the guy.</p>
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