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		<title>By: Dorothea Salo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorothea Salo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 18:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, turning that around, Matthew, we have the BarCamp model, where every attendee is also a presenter -- and nobody woofs about registration fees that I&#039;ve ever seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, turning that around, Matthew, we have the BarCamp model, where every attendee is also a presenter &#8212; and nobody woofs about registration fees that I&#8217;ve ever seen.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 00:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there are two problems when most people talk about this issue

1  Everyone thinks it&#039;s all or nothing.  What about just offering presenters a discount for presenting, like 10% or 20%?  If free registration is a problem, slightly less registration money should be less of a problem.

2  We seem to have entirely too many presenters for the number of attendees.  Perhaps having upwards of a quarter or a third of the people at a conference presenting at it is too much.  Certainly it&#039;s great to have everyone contribute who wants to but perhaps we could &quot;weed the collection&quot; a bit?  And very often this is not a problem of having too many sessions but too many presenters per session.  Perhaps we reduce the registration fee for only the main presenter or per presentation.

Keeping everything else equal, the non-presenter&#039;s reg fee will only increase by a fraction of the presenter&#039;s fee decrease, that fraction being the number of presenters out of non-presenters.  There shouldn&#039;t be any conference that can&#039;t do a least some combination and level of these options.

P.S.  Re:  Lori&#039;s comment above.  This is off-topic but &quot;anyone who works in a library is a librarian&quot;?  Even the janitor?  *shudder*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are two problems when most people talk about this issue</p>
<p>1  Everyone thinks it&#8217;s all or nothing.  What about just offering presenters a discount for presenting, like 10% or 20%?  If free registration is a problem, slightly less registration money should be less of a problem.</p>
<p>2  We seem to have entirely too many presenters for the number of attendees.  Perhaps having upwards of a quarter or a third of the people at a conference presenting at it is too much.  Certainly it&#8217;s great to have everyone contribute who wants to but perhaps we could &#8220;weed the collection&#8221; a bit?  And very often this is not a problem of having too many sessions but too many presenters per session.  Perhaps we reduce the registration fee for only the main presenter or per presentation.</p>
<p>Keeping everything else equal, the non-presenter&#8217;s reg fee will only increase by a fraction of the presenter&#8217;s fee decrease, that fraction being the number of presenters out of non-presenters.  There shouldn&#8217;t be any conference that can&#8217;t do a least some combination and level of these options.</p>
<p>P.S.  Re:  Lori&#8217;s comment above.  This is off-topic but &#8220;anyone who works in a library is a librarian&#8221;?  Even the janitor?  *shudder*</p>
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		<title>By: Dorothea Salo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorothea Salo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 18:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would think the lousy-presentation problem would be self-limiting, especially given the feedback/survey culture among conference organizers. Is a lousy speaker trying to freeload going to get any repeat business?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would think the lousy-presentation problem would be self-limiting, especially given the feedback/survey culture among conference organizers. Is a lousy speaker trying to freeload going to get any repeat business?</p>
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		<title>By: Lori Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 21:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. I am technically not a librarian (in reality anyone who works in a library is a librarian) and ALA is not comping my registration this year (I was invited by a ALA to speak on a panel). In fact I had to join ALA to get the discounted registration to attend the rest of the conference.

It&#039;s so different in other fields. I agree with you that librarians need to stand up for themselves. Stephen Abraham gave a good point today in his Casual Conversation on OPAL. Would you want to have your taxes done by someone whose name you don&#039;t know? Would you take medical advice from a doctor whose name you did not know? Why is the information we provide different?

As a profession we need to think about the image we present not only to our peers but to other professions. I&#039;m afraid to say that the general population does not view librarians as techno-savvy info-mavens. Nope we&#039;re just people who check in and out books and read a lot.

We need a huge PR campaign about what libraries and library staff are all about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. I am technically not a librarian (in reality anyone who works in a library is a librarian) and ALA is not comping my registration this year (I was invited by a ALA to speak on a panel). In fact I had to join ALA to get the discounted registration to attend the rest of the conference.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s so different in other fields. I agree with you that librarians need to stand up for themselves. Stephen Abraham gave a good point today in his Casual Conversation on OPAL. Would you want to have your taxes done by someone whose name you don&#8217;t know? Would you take medical advice from a doctor whose name you did not know? Why is the information we provide different?</p>
<p>As a profession we need to think about the image we present not only to our peers but to other professions. I&#8217;m afraid to say that the general population does not view librarians as techno-savvy info-mavens. Nope we&#8217;re just people who check in and out books and read a lot.</p>
<p>We need a huge PR campaign about what libraries and library staff are all about.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary A. Axford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary A. Axford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 19:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with so much of what you said.  I do remember one argument for not paying speakers that a friend in the IT field mentioned.  He is a dba for a major university-related software that has a huge conference every year, and they found when they paid the speakers that some of the speakers gave very bad speeches in order to get a free registration, and weren&#039;t willing to put the effort into a good presentation.

I HOPE that kind of thing doesn&#039;t happen in LibraryLand, but I&#039;m sure it does rarely.

The biggest issue to me, though is the need to get young librarians who can&#039;t afford much of anything (and this is true for some of us oldtimers, too!) the chance to speak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with so much of what you said.  I do remember one argument for not paying speakers that a friend in the IT field mentioned.  He is a dba for a major university-related software that has a huge conference every year, and they found when they paid the speakers that some of the speakers gave very bad speeches in order to get a free registration, and weren&#8217;t willing to put the effort into a good presentation.</p>
<p>I HOPE that kind of thing doesn&#8217;t happen in LibraryLand, but I&#8217;m sure it does rarely.</p>
<p>The biggest issue to me, though is the need to get young librarians who can&#8217;t afford much of anything (and this is true for some of us oldtimers, too!) the chance to speak.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 02:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, so much here. Pardon the logorrhea.

I can understand being loathe to tell someone to pass up a so-called &quot;important career opportunity,&quot; even putting aside my doubts that conference speaking constitutes such an opportunity. And of course, he has to do what&#039;s right for him and weigh the potential benefits and drawbacks.

But I think that accepting those particular terms instills in this new librarian the notion that our culture is one of accepting inadequate compensation for work. Do you really not think we devalue ourselves as a profession? Remember how surprised you were when I first talked to you about being compensated for speaking? Because not being compensated is the prevailing culture. And pardon me for saying so, but that stinks. If that&#039;s greedy, then so be it.

As you say, one person refusing to speak won&#039;t change the paradigm. You or I refusing to speak under those terms is meaningless, if there&#039;s a gaggle of people ready and willing to provide their content for free. If we&#039;re really going to effect change, then we have to educate the new speakers, before they drink the kool-aid of altruistic labor. 

Cliff&#039;s wiki is a good start for us to establish and propogate greater expectations as speakers, but I think it&#039;s even more effective for influential people such as yourself to be talking about this stuff openly. So kudos to you for doing so.

And all that said, there are circumstances in which I, like you, will speak without compensation, but I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll ever be paying to get in the door just for the privilege.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, so much here. Pardon the logorrhea.</p>
<p>I can understand being loathe to tell someone to pass up a so-called &#8220;important career opportunity,&#8221; even putting aside my doubts that conference speaking constitutes such an opportunity. And of course, he has to do what&#8217;s right for him and weigh the potential benefits and drawbacks.</p>
<p>But I think that accepting those particular terms instills in this new librarian the notion that our culture is one of accepting inadequate compensation for work. Do you really not think we devalue ourselves as a profession? Remember how surprised you were when I first talked to you about being compensated for speaking? Because not being compensated is the prevailing culture. And pardon me for saying so, but that stinks. If that&#8217;s greedy, then so be it.</p>
<p>As you say, one person refusing to speak won&#8217;t change the paradigm. You or I refusing to speak under those terms is meaningless, if there&#8217;s a gaggle of people ready and willing to provide their content for free. If we&#8217;re really going to effect change, then we have to educate the new speakers, before they drink the kool-aid of altruistic labor. </p>
<p>Cliff&#8217;s wiki is a good start for us to establish and propogate greater expectations as speakers, but I think it&#8217;s even more effective for influential people such as yourself to be talking about this stuff openly. So kudos to you for doing so.</p>
<p>And all that said, there are circumstances in which I, like you, will speak without compensation, but I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll ever be paying to get in the door just for the privilege.</p>
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