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		<title>By: Meredith Farkas</title>
		<link>http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/2008/07/10/love-for-sale/comment-page-1/#comment-186765</link>
		<dc:creator>Meredith Farkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, Phil. And honestly, I&#039;m of the mind that voicing concerns publicly on a blog is often more productive than taking it up with the company. I remember emailing Bloglines about the fact that my blog posts were not coming up in their aggregator. I waited 2 weeks and never heard back. Then I complained about it on my blog and I suddenly heard from folks from Bloglines. Sadly, with many companies, you&#039;re more powerful as a blogger (publicly exposing their bad service) than you are as an individual customer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, Phil. And honestly, I&#8217;m of the mind that voicing concerns publicly on a blog is often more productive than taking it up with the company. I remember emailing Bloglines about the fact that my blog posts were not coming up in their aggregator. I waited 2 weeks and never heard back. Then I complained about it on my blog and I suddenly heard from folks from Bloglines. Sadly, with many companies, you&#8217;re more powerful as a blogger (publicly exposing their bad service) than you are as an individual customer.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would you assume that people *haven&#039;t* also voiced their concerns directly to Google?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would you assume that people *haven&#8217;t* also voiced their concerns directly to Google?</p>
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		<title>By: msh</title>
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		<dc:creator>msh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the most recent Google Librarian Newsletter it looks like they are no longer updating the blog but will continue with the email newsletter. But, no, I don&#039;t feel &quot;cheated&quot; by Google - why should we? If we were investing our money in their services (and I, too, would like to hear from the libraries that worked with Google Book Search) I could possibly understand the rift,  but as it is their resources are freely available  to the public and their products are helpful (to a point) for librarians. I look at it like a give-and-take relationship but I don&#039;t think anyone&#039;s getting the short end of the stick through their involvement with Google. And wouldn&#039;t it be more productive to voice any concern directly to Google rather than complaining on the interwebs? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the most recent Google Librarian Newsletter it looks like they are no longer updating the blog but will continue with the email newsletter. But, no, I don&#8217;t feel &#8220;cheated&#8221; by Google &#8211; why should we? If we were investing our money in their services (and I, too, would like to hear from the libraries that worked with Google Book Search) I could possibly understand the rift,  but as it is their resources are freely available  to the public and their products are helpful (to a point) for librarians. I look at it like a give-and-take relationship but I don&#8217;t think anyone&#8217;s getting the short end of the stick through their involvement with Google. And wouldn&#8217;t it be more productive to voice any concern directly to Google rather than complaining on the interwebs? <img src='http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Phil Bradley</title>
		<link>http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/2008/07/10/love-for-sale/comment-page-1/#comment-186548</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the people who are up in arms about this have a slightly different take on the matter. In many respects I don&#039;t care if Google wants to talk to librarians or not - it&#039;s their call. However, once they put things into place to appeal to and interest librarians, and make it (apparently) clear that they want to talk to us then they&#039;re making a particular statement. 

I think it&#039;s fairly sensible on their part because librarians do often act as a medium between the company and users. Admittedly we&#039;re only small in number, but I like to think that librarians punch above their weight. One might also think that Google feels the same way, because they have come to library conventions, at least in the US and UK - I can&#039;t speak for anywhere else - so it&#039;s a logical assumption.

So I don&#039;t think it&#039;s an &#039;obligation&#039; at all, but one of their goals. I don&#039;t actually care that much if they change their mind, but what I, and a number of other librarians object to is the slipshod way they&#039;ve behaved. I think it&#039;s a bit like inviting a guest into your home and then leave them hanging around by themselves for a few hours - it&#039;s rather rude. Clearly their marketing in this instance *hasn&#039;t* worked because they dropped the ball. 

I don&#039;t believe that Google has any intention of continuing with their librarian newsletter - they got caught out by constant references in librarian blogs to the lack of updates and finally felt that they had to do something to quieten it down. I also don&#039;t believe that they want a two way dialogue - given that I emailed them as suggested and they never responded. So what annoys me is their fickle nature, what *I* see as contempt for librarians and a basic dishonesty and I don&#039;t particularly care to deal with companies that treat me in that manner. Clearly you see it differently, or don&#039;t care, which is entirely up to you. Bottom line: Google doesn&#039;t care about librarians. Why should librarians care about Google? That&#039;s good marketing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the people who are up in arms about this have a slightly different take on the matter. In many respects I don&#8217;t care if Google wants to talk to librarians or not &#8211; it&#8217;s their call. However, once they put things into place to appeal to and interest librarians, and make it (apparently) clear that they want to talk to us then they&#8217;re making a particular statement. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s fairly sensible on their part because librarians do often act as a medium between the company and users. Admittedly we&#8217;re only small in number, but I like to think that librarians punch above their weight. One might also think that Google feels the same way, because they have come to library conventions, at least in the US and UK &#8211; I can&#8217;t speak for anywhere else &#8211; so it&#8217;s a logical assumption.</p>
<p>So I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s an &#8216;obligation&#8217; at all, but one of their goals. I don&#8217;t actually care that much if they change their mind, but what I, and a number of other librarians object to is the slipshod way they&#8217;ve behaved. I think it&#8217;s a bit like inviting a guest into your home and then leave them hanging around by themselves for a few hours &#8211; it&#8217;s rather rude. Clearly their marketing in this instance *hasn&#8217;t* worked because they dropped the ball. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe that Google has any intention of continuing with their librarian newsletter &#8211; they got caught out by constant references in librarian blogs to the lack of updates and finally felt that they had to do something to quieten it down. I also don&#8217;t believe that they want a two way dialogue &#8211; given that I emailed them as suggested and they never responded. So what annoys me is their fickle nature, what *I* see as contempt for librarians and a basic dishonesty and I don&#8217;t particularly care to deal with companies that treat me in that manner. Clearly you see it differently, or don&#8217;t care, which is entirely up to you. Bottom line: Google doesn&#8217;t care about librarians. Why should librarians care about Google? That&#8217;s good marketing?</p>
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		<title>By: EmbeddedLibrarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>EmbeddedLibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen!

But this is the rantiest post I have ever seen on your blog...Are you sure you&#039;re not up-in-arms? Or maybe you are up-in-arms at librarians&#039; ignorance, and not at Google...I guess this is warranted. But you made your point in the first paragraph and then went on.

Forgive my freshness, I am on Day 5 of the comment challenge (albeit behind the rest of the world). 

Thank you.

Respectfully submitted........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen!</p>
<p>But this is the rantiest post I have ever seen on your blog&#8230;Are you sure you&#8217;re not up-in-arms? Or maybe you are up-in-arms at librarians&#8217; ignorance, and not at Google&#8230;I guess this is warranted. But you made your point in the first paragraph and then went on.</p>
<p>Forgive my freshness, I am on Day 5 of the comment challenge (albeit behind the rest of the world). </p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>Respectfully submitted&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: G. Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>G. Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first thought when this discussion came to light was that it wouldn&#039;t be the first time that Google tried something out, either got what they wanted from it or found it wasn&#039;t working the way they needed it to, and discontinued the service. A friend of mine used to freelance for &lt;a href=&quot;http://answers.google.com/answers/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Google Answers&lt;/a&gt;, which was discontinued some time ago. From what I knew of the service, I couldn&#039;t figure out how they were making it cost-effective, let alone profitable, and though the quality of answers was generally high you can get the same service and quality from a librarian for free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first thought when this discussion came to light was that it wouldn&#8217;t be the first time that Google tried something out, either got what they wanted from it or found it wasn&#8217;t working the way they needed it to, and discontinued the service. A friend of mine used to freelance for <a href="http://answers.google.com/answers/" rel="nofollow">Google Answers</a>, which was discontinued some time ago. From what I knew of the service, I couldn&#8217;t figure out how they were making it cost-effective, let alone profitable, and though the quality of answers was generally high you can get the same service and quality from a librarian for free.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel</title>
		<link>http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/2008/07/10/love-for-sale/comment-page-1/#comment-186354</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I use so many of Google&#039;s tools and web-based programs for both myself and my patrons that I fail to see how they&#039;re &quot;punking us.&quot; If anything, I&#039;m &quot;punking&quot; them, even though I do recommend tools like Google Docs to library patrons all the time. You want to talk about getting punked, go out and buy MS Office and see how you feel!

I also agree with T. Scott&#039;s assessment that maybe the librarian community didn&#039;t step up and give Google a whole lot of incentive to cater to them. Maybe we should look in the mirror a bit before claiming we all got duped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I use so many of Google&#8217;s tools and web-based programs for both myself and my patrons that I fail to see how they&#8217;re &#8220;punking us.&#8221; If anything, I&#8217;m &#8220;punking&#8221; them, even though I do recommend tools like Google Docs to library patrons all the time. You want to talk about getting punked, go out and buy MS Office and see how you feel!</p>
<p>I also agree with T. Scott&#8217;s assessment that maybe the librarian community didn&#8217;t step up and give Google a whole lot of incentive to cater to them. Maybe we should look in the mirror a bit before claiming we all got duped.</p>
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		<title>By: Colleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for saying what a whole bunch of us were thinking. It always surprises me that librarians are offended by how the capitalist world outside the utopia of libraries works. (Or maybe I&#039;m just jaded from having worked in sales before fleeing to academia.) Either way, a nice wake up call to librarians that Google is not some benevolent behemoth that necessarily shares our mission and values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for saying what a whole bunch of us were thinking. It always surprises me that librarians are offended by how the capitalist world outside the utopia of libraries works. (Or maybe I&#8217;m just jaded from having worked in sales before fleeing to academia.) Either way, a nice wake up call to librarians that Google is not some benevolent behemoth that necessarily shares our mission and values.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest I didn&#039;t pay much attention to the fact that Google had a blog for librarians or a newsletter.  I think I remember looking at it and thinking I can get this same information else where and it will be less biased than Google.

I don&#039;t understand why is the fact that Google has a blog for librarians so important or the fact that their stopping it?  We&#039;re information professionals and it seems like we&#039;re asking Google to cater to us.  How many blogs or other sites die without a moment&#039;s notice?  Things happen, its life.  So Google didn&#039;t let us know they weren&#039;t going to be updating their blog.  It isn&#039;t like it had groundbreaking info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest I didn&#8217;t pay much attention to the fact that Google had a blog for librarians or a newsletter.  I think I remember looking at it and thinking I can get this same information else where and it will be less biased than Google.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand why is the fact that Google has a blog for librarians so important or the fact that their stopping it?  We&#8217;re information professionals and it seems like we&#8217;re asking Google to cater to us.  How many blogs or other sites die without a moment&#8217;s notice?  Things happen, its life.  So Google didn&#8217;t let us know they weren&#8217;t going to be updating their blog.  It isn&#8217;t like it had groundbreaking info.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean C. Rowan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean C. Rowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So let&#039;s review this discussion. Meredith wonders what prompts the whiny &quot;Google doesn&#039;t really care about libraries&quot; attitude. She and other proud pragmatists proclaim that&#039;s a silly stance, because Google, after all, is a business, driven cynically by its own self-interest, nothing more. Then, voila!, Google responds by giving the whiners what they want. The company&#039;s intentions are dubious at best, but results are results.

Quoting Meredith, I must be missing something. Perhaps it&#039;s unwise to &quot;feel&quot; like libraries have been &quot;used&quot; by Google, but the fact of it having occurred doesn&#039;t seem to be in dispute here. Google uses libraries--Google giveth and Google taketh away--because Google is a company: that&#039;s the message I take from this discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So let&#8217;s review this discussion. Meredith wonders what prompts the whiny &#8220;Google doesn&#8217;t really care about libraries&#8221; attitude. She and other proud pragmatists proclaim that&#8217;s a silly stance, because Google, after all, is a business, driven cynically by its own self-interest, nothing more. Then, voila!, Google responds by giving the whiners what they want. The company&#8217;s intentions are dubious at best, but results are results.</p>
<p>Quoting Meredith, I must be missing something. Perhaps it&#8217;s unwise to &#8220;feel&#8221; like libraries have been &#8220;used&#8221; by Google, but the fact of it having occurred doesn&#8217;t seem to be in dispute here. Google uses libraries&#8211;Google giveth and Google taketh away&#8211;because Google is a company: that&#8217;s the message I take from this discussion.</p>
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