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		<title>By: Laura Wimberley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Wimberley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jacquelyn - I agree with you that having different people on the in-person ref desk and virtual reference duties is the ideal solution.  At small libraries, that might not sound feasible, but OCLC runs a consortium - http://www.questionpoint.org/ - so that smaller libraries can have 24/7 VR, while only contributing librarians&#039; hours proportionate to the size of their patron base.

I just started doing reference by IM, in this cooperative, and it&#039;s exhausting!  I couldn&#039;t imagine doing anything else at the same time; I&#039;d be forced to be rude to everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jacquelyn &#8211; I agree with you that having different people on the in-person ref desk and virtual reference duties is the ideal solution.  At small libraries, that might not sound feasible, but OCLC runs a consortium &#8211; <a href="http://www.questionpoint.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.questionpoint.org/</a> &#8211; so that smaller libraries can have 24/7 VR, while only contributing librarians&#8217; hours proportionate to the size of their patron base.</p>
<p>I just started doing reference by IM, in this cooperative, and it&#8217;s exhausting!  I couldn&#8217;t imagine doing anything else at the same time; I&#8217;d be forced to be rude to everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret Szvetecz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret Szvetecz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whenever I use an organization--a store, a library, a governmental office--I do not feel a particular commitment to the organization, nor do I internalize the priorities of the individuals who work at the organization.  (I am using the organization, but I do not work at the organization, and I am not that interested in the problems of those individuals who do work there.)  With this in mind, I become truly irritated if an employee of the organization is on the phone to someone else (or on a virtual communication such as email) when I am standing right there, attempting to get assistance. It is remarkably poor customer service. If I take the trouble to actually go to the physical site of an organization, at the very least I do expect to have the attention of the organizatonal representative when I am standing in front of her/him.  If said organizational representative were to tell me that, even though I am at the head of the physical queue there is an invisible queue of clients that take precedence over me, I would be at best dumbfounded, and, at worse, angry. 

I applaud the effort and intelligence that Meredith used in setting up an IM reference service, and I can certainly understand the frustration involved in trying to service clients in person and virtually with a limited staff.  Adding new services involves making hard choices, and perhaps even limiting the traditional services, if the new services involve more customers/clients/patrons. 

That being said, I still believe that it is very poor customer service to multitask at a reference desk in such a way as to make someone who is standing at the reference desk wait while the person staffing the desk helps virtual clients.  Even though I accept the sincerity of her  commitment to VR patrons, if I were standing in front of Meredith  at the reference desk at her library, waiting while she helped a VR patron, I would not be sympathetic to her plight--I would be very unhappy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever I use an organization&#8211;a store, a library, a governmental office&#8211;I do not feel a particular commitment to the organization, nor do I internalize the priorities of the individuals who work at the organization.  (I am using the organization, but I do not work at the organization, and I am not that interested in the problems of those individuals who do work there.)  With this in mind, I become truly irritated if an employee of the organization is on the phone to someone else (or on a virtual communication such as email) when I am standing right there, attempting to get assistance. It is remarkably poor customer service. If I take the trouble to actually go to the physical site of an organization, at the very least I do expect to have the attention of the organizatonal representative when I am standing in front of her/him.  If said organizational representative were to tell me that, even though I am at the head of the physical queue there is an invisible queue of clients that take precedence over me, I would be at best dumbfounded, and, at worse, angry. </p>
<p>I applaud the effort and intelligence that Meredith used in setting up an IM reference service, and I can certainly understand the frustration involved in trying to service clients in person and virtually with a limited staff.  Adding new services involves making hard choices, and perhaps even limiting the traditional services, if the new services involve more customers/clients/patrons. </p>
<p>That being said, I still believe that it is very poor customer service to multitask at a reference desk in such a way as to make someone who is standing at the reference desk wait while the person staffing the desk helps virtual clients.  Even though I accept the sincerity of her  commitment to VR patrons, if I were standing in front of Meredith  at the reference desk at her library, waiting while she helped a VR patron, I would not be sympathetic to her plight&#8211;I would be very unhappy.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Steeleworthy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Steeleworthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My own humble opinion:

To suggest that VR patrons must be subordinate to in-person patrons or that VR patrons must stand in a virtual queue behind a potentially smaller number of in-person patrons is to ignore incredibly large changes in our field.  And, sticking our head in the sand is no way to address the “Whither Virtual Reference?” dilemma.

As some people have noted, there can never be a &quot;one-size-fits-all&quot; solution to this problem. Libraries are inherently different due to various sizes, population-bases, funding-formulas, and types.  However, I don&#039;t think we should shift away from our unified ideal that patron service is tantamount to the profession.  If this means altering reference desk staff hours or locations in order to accommodate VR patrons, or if it means hiring LIS students to &quot;man&quot; a VR desk, then so be it.  

I hate to end a comment in this fashion because I haven&#039;t offered a concrete solution to the problem, but I do want to reinforce the fact that subordinating one group of patrons to another is a disservice to all patrons.  Virtual reference and virtual reference patrons are here to stay. My VR patron deserves and receives the same level of quality service as my in-person patron, and I will not allow one or the other to wait an egregiously long time for help.  We owe it to VR patrons to treat them no different from our in-person constituents, as well as to quantify our service to them through reliable metrics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own humble opinion:</p>
<p>To suggest that VR patrons must be subordinate to in-person patrons or that VR patrons must stand in a virtual queue behind a potentially smaller number of in-person patrons is to ignore incredibly large changes in our field.  And, sticking our head in the sand is no way to address the “Whither Virtual Reference?” dilemma.</p>
<p>As some people have noted, there can never be a &#8220;one-size-fits-all&#8221; solution to this problem. Libraries are inherently different due to various sizes, population-bases, funding-formulas, and types.  However, I don&#8217;t think we should shift away from our unified ideal that patron service is tantamount to the profession.  If this means altering reference desk staff hours or locations in order to accommodate VR patrons, or if it means hiring LIS students to &#8220;man&#8221; a VR desk, then so be it.  </p>
<p>I hate to end a comment in this fashion because I haven&#8217;t offered a concrete solution to the problem, but I do want to reinforce the fact that subordinating one group of patrons to another is a disservice to all patrons.  Virtual reference and virtual reference patrons are here to stay. My VR patron deserves and receives the same level of quality service as my in-person patron, and I will not allow one or the other to wait an egregiously long time for help.  We owe it to VR patrons to treat them no different from our in-person constituents, as well as to quantify our service to them through reliable metrics.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacquelyn Erdman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacquelyn Erdman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read both posts too and didn&#039;t know how to react because my library handles online reference differently.  We do not combine online reference with the desk reference, they are two separate people.  The reasoning is so that both groups of people can get the librarian&#039;s full attention.  The librarian handling the chat and email reference is required to sit at their desk for half to a full day and can do their office work at the same time.  For libraries that feel their reference staff is overwhelmed, this is a possible solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read both posts too and didn&#8217;t know how to react because my library handles online reference differently.  We do not combine online reference with the desk reference, they are two separate people.  The reasoning is so that both groups of people can get the librarian&#8217;s full attention.  The librarian handling the chat and email reference is required to sit at their desk for half to a full day and can do their office work at the same time.  For libraries that feel their reference staff is overwhelmed, this is a possible solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Hopwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Hopwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely it&#039;s basically like being on the phone?

You just play it by ear, as you would if you were taking a phone call.

Ideally the situation wouldn&#039;t arise!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely it&#8217;s basically like being on the phone?</p>
<p>You just play it by ear, as you would if you were taking a phone call.</p>
<p>Ideally the situation wouldn&#8217;t arise!</p>
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		<title>By: Scot Colford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scot Colford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 04:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice. Before I was a librarian, I sold books in a couple of the nations best independent bookstores. My favorite, which has since unfortunately been gobbled up by a national chain, had an awesome training program that involved explicit instruction in the values of the company from the smallest interactions to the largest. In the training, one important thing we emphasized to new hires was to never put a phone caller on hold for longer than two minutes at a time. Even if you had to go across the huge store and scour several shelves to find an item, be sure to check in with the customer every two minutes. Customers in the store can see that you&#039;re busy and that there are many things that demand your attention. Those who are not physically with you can&#039;t see that at all. In fact, when you are not &quot;with them&quot;, they are effectively abandoned in limbo.

I hope that this message reaches &quot;Jill&quot; and other librarians like her.

Scot Colford
Web Services Manager
Boston Public Library</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice. Before I was a librarian, I sold books in a couple of the nations best independent bookstores. My favorite, which has since unfortunately been gobbled up by a national chain, had an awesome training program that involved explicit instruction in the values of the company from the smallest interactions to the largest. In the training, one important thing we emphasized to new hires was to never put a phone caller on hold for longer than two minutes at a time. Even if you had to go across the huge store and scour several shelves to find an item, be sure to check in with the customer every two minutes. Customers in the store can see that you&#8217;re busy and that there are many things that demand your attention. Those who are not physically with you can&#8217;t see that at all. In fact, when you are not &#8220;with them&#8221;, they are effectively abandoned in limbo.</p>
<p>I hope that this message reaches &#8220;Jill&#8221; and other librarians like her.</p>
<p>Scot Colford<br />
Web Services Manager<br />
Boston Public Library</p>
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		<title>By: GeekChic</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeekChic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 00:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Interesting comment from Kathryn Greenhill)

Anyway, I can tell you the policy on service priorities at the last two public libraries I&#039;ve worked at (both Circulation and Reference): In person questions come first, then IM, then phone, then email. If you are alone at the service desk you may assist someone via IM, phone or email - however, if someone comes to the desk you must pause or end the conversation (or transfer the call to off desk support). 

Both libraries try to maintain off desk staff to answer phones, IM and email but this is not always possible. Staff also have a time limit as to how long they can work on a reference question.

The logic for these priorities (as per management) is: lines of people waiting are not desired nor is one or two people waiting forever at a desk - both do not look good to other patrons and have a markedly increased chance of causing anger or violence in the people waiting (I have experienced this violence myself). In addition, phone, IM and email questions may not be from tax payers. While the ideal is to serve everyone who has an interest in our library - our commitment is to our tax payers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Interesting comment from Kathryn Greenhill)</p>
<p>Anyway, I can tell you the policy on service priorities at the last two public libraries I&#8217;ve worked at (both Circulation and Reference): In person questions come first, then IM, then phone, then email. If you are alone at the service desk you may assist someone via IM, phone or email &#8211; however, if someone comes to the desk you must pause or end the conversation (or transfer the call to off desk support). </p>
<p>Both libraries try to maintain off desk staff to answer phones, IM and email but this is not always possible. Staff also have a time limit as to how long they can work on a reference question.</p>
<p>The logic for these priorities (as per management) is: lines of people waiting are not desired nor is one or two people waiting forever at a desk &#8211; both do not look good to other patrons and have a markedly increased chance of causing anger or violence in the people waiting (I have experienced this violence myself). In addition, phone, IM and email questions may not be from tax payers. While the ideal is to serve everyone who has an interest in our library &#8211; our commitment is to our tax payers.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn Greenhill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn Greenhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 23:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couple of months back I read an article about customer service to Gen Y people. It made the point that old-fashioned &quot;how are you, how are the kids, now what can I do for you today, have a nice day now&quot; face to face service sometimes can irritate the heck out a people who are used to being online, to emailing faceless people, to getting the info they want when they want in a short, impersonal but instant form. A group who are used to doing 12 other things *while* they ask their question, so are kind of irritated if they have to turn up in person and give their full attention to another human being....

It made me think that maybe my assumptions about what is good customer service need an update. I *always* thought service with a smile that exceeds the customer&#039;s expectations and gives them three other delightful things to take home was the optimum.

Now I wonder whether there is a generation that get really irritated when they see a chatty, nice friendly librarian talking to a queue of people at the reference desk - someone that they *know* will not prioritise their question via IM and will possibly want to do more than just &quot;give me the information dammit&quot;.

Of course, I couldn&#039;t find the article I read,and I&#039;m not expressing it as well as it did - but food for thought, none-the-less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple of months back I read an article about customer service to Gen Y people. It made the point that old-fashioned &#8220;how are you, how are the kids, now what can I do for you today, have a nice day now&#8221; face to face service sometimes can irritate the heck out a people who are used to being online, to emailing faceless people, to getting the info they want when they want in a short, impersonal but instant form. A group who are used to doing 12 other things *while* they ask their question, so are kind of irritated if they have to turn up in person and give their full attention to another human being&#8230;.</p>
<p>It made me think that maybe my assumptions about what is good customer service need an update. I *always* thought service with a smile that exceeds the customer&#8217;s expectations and gives them three other delightful things to take home was the optimum.</p>
<p>Now I wonder whether there is a generation that get really irritated when they see a chatty, nice friendly librarian talking to a queue of people at the reference desk &#8211; someone that they *know* will not prioritise their question via IM and will possibly want to do more than just &#8220;give me the information dammit&#8221;.</p>
<p>Of course, I couldn&#8217;t find the article I read,and I&#8217;m not expressing it as well as it did &#8211; but food for thought, none-the-less.</p>
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		<title>By: Meredith Farkas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meredith Farkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely agree, Meg. It&#039;s more than &quot;every library should do it their own way.&quot; Every user and every reference transaction is different. We all make judgments about how to serve each individual user in the best way possible and what I do in one situation may not be what I do in the next. If one is operating under the assumption that the person in front of you always takes priority, I wonder how that impacts their dealings with synchronous virtual (or phone) patrons. Perhaps it&#039;s just a written rule that people don&#039;t follow in individual situations, but to see it up on a library&#039;s website may discourage people from even trying to contact the library, since they don&#039;t know that the person on the other end is polite and wants to serve them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely agree, Meg. It&#8217;s more than &#8220;every library should do it their own way.&#8221; Every user and every reference transaction is different. We all make judgments about how to serve each individual user in the best way possible and what I do in one situation may not be what I do in the next. If one is operating under the assumption that the person in front of you always takes priority, I wonder how that impacts their dealings with synchronous virtual (or phone) patrons. Perhaps it&#8217;s just a written rule that people don&#8217;t follow in individual situations, but to see it up on a library&#8217;s website may discourage people from even trying to contact the library, since they don&#8217;t know that the person on the other end is polite and wants to serve them.</p>
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		<title>By: Meg Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meg Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This argument supposes a common user who doesn&#039;t exist. 

You privilege IM questions over email because it&#039;s obvious *to you* that someone asking a question over email doesn&#039;t expect an answer within 5 minutes. You don&#039;t absolutely know that this is the case, but it&#039;s a pretty good assumption because you&#039;re dealing with students.

The question is whether it&#039;s a good or bad assumption that someone asking a question over IM is familiar with a culture of online multitasking. Generally speaking, the answer to this depends on your user community. Specifically, it depends on the individual interaction that you may or may not interrupt, should someone come to the desk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This argument supposes a common user who doesn&#8217;t exist. </p>
<p>You privilege IM questions over email because it&#8217;s obvious *to you* that someone asking a question over email doesn&#8217;t expect an answer within 5 minutes. You don&#8217;t absolutely know that this is the case, but it&#8217;s a pretty good assumption because you&#8217;re dealing with students.</p>
<p>The question is whether it&#8217;s a good or bad assumption that someone asking a question over IM is familiar with a culture of online multitasking. Generally speaking, the answer to this depends on your user community. Specifically, it depends on the individual interaction that you may or may not interrupt, should someone come to the desk.</p>
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