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		<title>By: Faculty and change in scholarly publishing &#124; Information Wants To Be Free</title>
		<link>http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/2010/04/02/has-ebsco-become-the-new-evil-empire/comment-page-1/#comment-191346</link>
		<dc:creator>Faculty and change in scholarly publishing &#124; Information Wants To Be Free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A little over a year ago, I posted about how the Society for Military History had pulled the Journal of Military History out of the major aggregators that had previously offered it and signed an exclusive deal with EBSCO. What had previously been accessible up to the current issue in Academic Search Premier suddenly was only available in the full-text versions of America: History and Life and Historical Abstracts (which is a cost on top of the regular Am Hist and Life and Hist. Abs subscriptions). And given the poor selection of full-text in both products, we’d essentially be paying around $3500 for one journal. At a school with major military history programs, this was a major issue. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A little over a year ago, I posted about how the Society for Military History had pulled the Journal of Military History out of the major aggregators that had previously offered it and signed an exclusive deal with EBSCO. What had previously been accessible up to the current issue in Academic Search Premier suddenly was only available in the full-text versions of America: History and Life and Historical Abstracts (which is a cost on top of the regular Am Hist and Life and Hist. Abs subscriptions). And given the poor selection of full-text in both products, we’d essentially be paying around $3500 for one journal. At a school with major military history programs, this was a major issue. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Age of Big Access</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Age of Big Access</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 12:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] saw and were outraged by EBSCO&#8217;s increasing holdings of exclusive rights to periodicals, often offered through [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] saw and were outraged by EBSCO&#8217;s increasing holdings of exclusive rights to periodicals, often offered through [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A lot of Davids make one heck of a Goliath &#124; Information Wants To Be Free</title>
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		<dc:creator>A lot of Davids make one heck of a Goliath &#124; Information Wants To Be Free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Farkas on History and changeJust a thought... on History and changeFake archive on Has EBSCO become the new evil empire?Sharon Clapp on History and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Farkas on History and changeJust a thought&#8230; on History and changeFake archive on Has EBSCO become the new evil empire?Sharon Clapp on History and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fake archive</title>
		<link>http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/2010/04/02/has-ebsco-become-the-new-evil-empire/comment-page-1/#comment-188651</link>
		<dc:creator>Fake archive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 04:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the “evil empire” in the library blogosphere (http://lisnews.org/information_access_balance ; .http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/2010/04/02/has-ebsco-become-the-new-evil-empire/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the “evil empire” in the library blogosphere (<a href="http://lisnews.org/information_access_balance" rel="nofollow">http://lisnews.org/information_access_balance</a> ; .http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/2010/04/02/has-ebsco-become-the-new-evil-empire/ [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SashaN</title>
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		<dc:creator>SashaN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 16:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a first-semester library student so this is all new to me, but it sure sounds like EBSCO is following the Comcast model of providing service. Subscribe to hundreds of cable channels you don&#039;t want in order to get the half dozen you do. That&#039;s why so many people are turning to Hulu and the web -- television&#039;s open access? No wonder companies want to rein in the internet. Maybe EBSCO will just make you watch a bunch of ads before giving you the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a first-semester library student so this is all new to me, but it sure sounds like EBSCO is following the Comcast model of providing service. Subscribe to hundreds of cable channels you don&#8217;t want in order to get the half dozen you do. That&#8217;s why so many people are turning to Hulu and the web &#8212; television&#8217;s open access? No wonder companies want to rein in the internet. Maybe EBSCO will just make you watch a bunch of ads before giving you the article.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark H. Danley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark H. Danley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 15:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They should exist to further knowledge, not their own continued existence.&quot;

They do.

The ability to further knowledge itself depends on continued existence.  

I also respectfully take issue with some of the other assertions made in comment 41 as well.

You say &quot;for societies, when the need to raise money conflicts with their values, all I can think is … do we need scholarly societies anymore if their values are worth so little and their business so much? &quot;

That&#039;s all you can think?  How about thinking of this:

The hotels and convention centers where societies hold their conferences, the utility companies who provide energy for their offices, and all the other businesses who want money for the services on which societies depend all charge an increasing amount for those services.  So if a scholarly society - in this case the SMH - wrestles with the increasing cost of its work - then does that make them devoid of values?  It is one thing to question the particular choices they make to deal with the problem with increasing costs.  I agree with that line of questioning. It&#039;s another thing to say that they lack in values just because they recognize that the costs go up while their income stays the same. I that assertion is unfair.  

I too question the Society for Military History&#039;s decision in the particular case of the EBSCO agreement, but to assert they lack in basic values just because the cost of their operations went up is not, in my opinion, either constructive or helpful.

I have worked with several members of the SMH board over the years and can attest to their sense of values and their sincere committment to the pursuit of knowledge.  

Debate whether they made the right decision on how to keep the lights on, but don&#039;t say THEY lack imagination or values just because it is, in fact, a lot harder to keep the lights on nowadays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They should exist to further knowledge, not their own continued existence.&#8221;</p>
<p>They do.</p>
<p>The ability to further knowledge itself depends on continued existence.  </p>
<p>I also respectfully take issue with some of the other assertions made in comment 41 as well.</p>
<p>You say &#8220;for societies, when the need to raise money conflicts with their values, all I can think is … do we need scholarly societies anymore if their values are worth so little and their business so much? &#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all you can think?  How about thinking of this:</p>
<p>The hotels and convention centers where societies hold their conferences, the utility companies who provide energy for their offices, and all the other businesses who want money for the services on which societies depend all charge an increasing amount for those services.  So if a scholarly society &#8211; in this case the SMH &#8211; wrestles with the increasing cost of its work &#8211; then does that make them devoid of values?  It is one thing to question the particular choices they make to deal with the problem with increasing costs.  I agree with that line of questioning. It&#8217;s another thing to say that they lack in values just because they recognize that the costs go up while their income stays the same. I that assertion is unfair.  </p>
<p>I too question the Society for Military History&#8217;s decision in the particular case of the EBSCO agreement, but to assert they lack in basic values just because the cost of their operations went up is not, in my opinion, either constructive or helpful.</p>
<p>I have worked with several members of the SMH board over the years and can attest to their sense of values and their sincere committment to the pursuit of knowledge.  </p>
<p>Debate whether they made the right decision on how to keep the lights on, but don&#8217;t say THEY lack imagination or values just because it is, in fact, a lot harder to keep the lights on nowadays.</p>
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		<title>By: Meredith Farkas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meredith Farkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comment, Barbara, and I loved your insightful Library Journal piece. In this day in age, there are too many professional/scholarly organizations that seem to work more to promote their own existence than to actually promote values and scholarly information in their areas. I&#039;ve see it across professions/specialties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comment, Barbara, and I loved your insightful Library Journal piece. In this day in age, there are too many professional/scholarly organizations that seem to work more to promote their own existence than to actually promote values and scholarly information in their areas. I&#8217;ve see it across professions/specialties.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Fister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara Fister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can think, reading these comments, is that line from Dover Beach: &quot;ignorant armies clashing by night.&quot; 

Scholars and scholarly societies should not count on library subscriptions (directly or through these contracts) to provide cash flow for their operations. There&#039;s less need for the cash, now, since there&#039;s a rather low barrier to publishing online. Those who want to work with print could print their own. Societies are not willing to rethink how to fund themselves without this income, though, and most scholars don&#039;t seem to have the imagination to overcome their self-interest in traditional publishing, but if they want to communicate their findings, hiding them behind a tollgate is not helpful. As for societies, when the need to raise money conflicts with their values, all I can think is ... do we need scholarly societies anymore if their values are worth so little and their business so much? They should exist to further knowledge, not their own continued existence. 

Hear that clanking sound? It&#039;s the system, breaking down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can think, reading these comments, is that line from Dover Beach: &#8220;ignorant armies clashing by night.&#8221; </p>
<p>Scholars and scholarly societies should not count on library subscriptions (directly or through these contracts) to provide cash flow for their operations. There&#8217;s less need for the cash, now, since there&#8217;s a rather low barrier to publishing online. Those who want to work with print could print their own. Societies are not willing to rethink how to fund themselves without this income, though, and most scholars don&#8217;t seem to have the imagination to overcome their self-interest in traditional publishing, but if they want to communicate their findings, hiding them behind a tollgate is not helpful. As for societies, when the need to raise money conflicts with their values, all I can think is &#8230; do we need scholarly societies anymore if their values are worth so little and their business so much? They should exist to further knowledge, not their own continued existence. </p>
<p>Hear that clanking sound? It&#8217;s the system, breaking down.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesley Boughton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lesley Boughton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 18:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is extortion and the Society is an accomplice, perhaps unknowingly. I would like my colleagues in COSLA to take a strong stand on the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is extortion and the Society is an accomplice, perhaps unknowingly. I would like my colleagues in COSLA to take a strong stand on the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Meredith Farkas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meredith Farkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have heard stories, Jeff, from medical librarian colleagues. You have my sympathies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have heard stories, Jeff, from medical librarian colleagues. You have my sympathies.</p>
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